1. Subscriberwebbinator
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    05 Sep '10 22:54
    http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=detail&id=1143
  2. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    06 Sep '10 12:59
    Originally posted by webbinator
    http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=detail&id=1143
    whats this link for? Could you give me the gist please.
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    Go to the last two chapters of the Bible, Revelation chapters 21 and 22. Read it aloud. Do not be troubled that you do not immediately understand everything.

    Read about the New Jerusalem. Read about the new heaven and the new earth with the New Jersualem.

    This is what creation is for. This is where history is going. This is the climax of all of God's activity. And I would say that this is the purpose of life.

    Go back and read it again. And read it again - Revelation chapters 21 and 22. This is where the universe and mankind is going.

    Read it aloud. And better yet pray concerning it with confession and a fully opened heart to God.

    We are here because God is building New Jerusalem.
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    We can choose whatever we like to be the purpose of our lives.
  5. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    06 Sep '10 21:57
    Originally posted by jaywill
    Go to the last two chapters of the Bible, Revelation chapters 21 and 22. Read it aloud. Do not be troubled that you do not immediately understand everything.

    Read about the New Jerusalem. Read about the new heaven and the new earth with the New Jersualem.

    This is what creation is for. This is where history is going. This is the climax of all of God's ...[text shortened]... and a fully opened heart to God.

    We are here because God is building [b]New Jerusalem.
    [/b]
    Gosh, out aloud? And with repitition...I guess I may as well stand on a street corner too so that excess energy is not wasted....🙂

    BTW I dont agree with your interpretation of revelations.
    I actually loosely think that revelations may be true but how its going to play out is not a matter that is up for debbate. The wolf is going to come. Thats all. We dont know in what form or exactly when...

    ..out aloud..lol🙂
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    06 Sep '10 22:52
    Some of you may benefit from listening to a spiritual message given on Labor Day in the Denver at this link:

    It is on the subject matter of the Testimony of Jesus and God's purpose.

    http://www.churchindenver.org/conference-2010LDWC.asp
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    06 Sep '10 23:54
    Life has no purpose.
    You may as well ask, what is the purpose of a rock? The rock just is. It exists.
    Now, we use rocks for things, so we attach purposes to them.
    I guess we do the same for our lives. We attach purposes to our lives - and these can change through our lives to. My purpose at the moment is to be a good father for my children and help them learn to become good people in their own right. That's a purpose that would have been useless to me 10 years ago when I had no children.

    But externally imposed purposes?
    There are none.
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    when one plants flower seeds, flowers grow, when one plants grape seeds, grapes grow and we get wine, when one plants nothing, weeds grow 🙂
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    07 Sep '10 00:28
    Originally posted by amannion
    Life has no purpose.
    You may as well ask, what is the purpose of a rock? The rock just is. It exists.
    Now, we use rocks for things, so we attach purposes to them.
    I guess we do the same for our lives. We attach purposes to our lives - and these can change through our lives to. My purpose at the moment is to be a good father for my children and help them ...[text shortened]... to me 10 years ago when I had no children.

    But externally imposed purposes?
    There are none.
    Agreed.
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    07 Sep '10 01:20
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    when one plants flower seeds, flowers grow, when one plants grape seeds, grapes grow and we get wine, when one plants nothing, weeds grow 🙂
    So, the native forests that surround my city are weeds, is that what you're saying?

    When people plant nothing we get communities of plants, usually high in biodiversity. Weeds tend to grown in areas that have been damaged or developed in the past, or where introduced species have no natural controls.
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    Life is an empty vessel if you don't fill it with something. When you do, you've given life a purpose.
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    07 Sep '10 04:58
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Gosh, out aloud? And with repitition...I guess I may as well stand on a street corner too so that excess energy is not wasted....🙂

    BTW I dont agree with your interpretation of revelations.
    I actually loosely think that revelations may be true but how its going to play out is not a matter that is up for debbate. The wolf is going to come. Thats all. We dont know in what form or exactly when...

    ..out aloud..lol🙂
    ===============================
    BTW I dont agree with your interpretation of revelations.
    I actually loosely think that revelations may be true but how its going to play out is not a matter that is up for debbate. The wolf is going to come. Thats all. We dont know in what form or exactly when...
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    The book is not called revelations [plural]. It is THE Revelation [singular] of Jesus Christ.

    I hope you would get off to a good start if you want to correct my interpretation. It is THE REVELATION not "revelations".

    Now I did not give much interpretation but only that the last two chapters were the culmination and climax of history and the consummation of God's work.

    How are you going to disagree with that ? Do those chapters on the New Jerusalem not conclude the 66 books of the Bible ?

    Do you mean you sense no conclusion, no finality when you come to Revelation 21 and 22 ? That would be very strange. What would you advocate is more of a climax to the Bible then the last two closing chapters ?

    Further more, the writing is rather symbolic. And there could be much discussion on what certain signs may really mean. However, the Christian enjoying the walk with Jesus today may well realize that what we have in Revelation 21 and 22 is simply a great magnification of what we are foretasting now.

    We enjoy Christ today as the water of life, if we are saved.
    We enjoy Christ today as the food of the tree of life, if we are saved.
    We enjoy the transformation of the Spirit as implied in the precious stones.
    We enjoy God in Christ today as our light, if we are now saved.

    So what we really have in the New Jerusalem in Rev. 21 and 22 is a FULL taste of what we should be foretasting today. We have an appetizer of what we will have in a total way in eternity.

    Is Christ today your "food" ? Is Christ today your "drink"? Is Christ today your "light"?

    Are you today in the city of God, being built up with other sons of God in the Spirit ? If you have the prize now in foretaste, you can look forward to a full taste in the age of the new heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem.
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    07 Sep '10 05:23
    Originally posted by amannion
    When people plant nothing we get communities of plants, usually high in biodiversity. Weeds tend to grown in areas that have been damaged or developed in the past, or where introduced species have no natural controls.
    Weeds grow wherever they are not wanted. That is what a weed is - an unwanted plant. Even food crops are weeds if they grow when you really wanted a different crop.
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    07 Sep '10 05:261 edit
    Originally posted by jaywill
    I hope you would get off to a good start if you want to correct my interpretation. It is THE REVELATION not "revelations".

    Further more, the writing is rather symbolic. And there could be much discussion on what certain signs may really mean.
    If we compare the Revelation to the scripture of Nostradamus, we can find very much similarities. Not in details, but in how the visions are presented.
    Furthermore, we can see similarities of how the symbolsims is interpreted.

    If you have the opinion that the relevations is symbolially is true, then you can safely have similar opinion that the scripture of Nostradamus is equally true.

    I think neither is true.
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    07 Sep '10 06:55
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Weeds grow wherever they are not wanted. That is what a weed is - an unwanted plant. Even food crops are weeds if they grow when you really wanted a different crop.
    Yes, in one sense 'weeds' are simply unwanted or unuseful plants. But this is hardly a terribly useful definition and misses the point of my response to the original post.
    His post suggested that weeds grow where humans don't cultivate.
    The native forests outside Melbourne are not cultivated. But I can't imagine anyone calling these plants weeds.
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