Originally posted by aardvarkhomeI see, doesn't add to the debate, but at least you are showing
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I don't like your opinion so I'm goning to reduce your expertise by equating it to the faith of a primitive uneducated man.
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Kelly (I have nothing but scorn and derision for your knowlege) Jay
your true colors.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI just gave you the definitions and you still won't let yourself understand ! I really do feel sorry for you.
Faith takes place between the ears, you are wanting to say that
faith 'without' religion is not the same thing as faith with religion,
I beg to differ, it is faith. The source is different, but it is still faith.
Not much different than driving to New Your city, you can take one
route or another you get to the same place.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayAre you sure it's not angels pulling it down? They could be invisible angels. You'll never know. It would be silly to assume that the apple falls due to gravity when there are perfectly good angels there to do it.
I'd be in agreement with you too on what would happen and why.
Kelly
That's what your arguments boil down to Kelly.
Originally posted by XanthosNZYou are providing a solution without understanding the gap. When it all boils down, regardless of whether it can be said that one is measurable whereas the other isn't, you are basing your perspective on faith. Faith in your measurements, faith in the hope that you have measured everything that needs to be measured, etc., etc.
Faith in this context is however different from faith in God. One is based on past experience and scientific fact and the other well it's based on nothing.
Originally posted by NosracNo, people just don't respond to you because you don't make any sense. That's all.
Really love to say this:
You guys read my posting, about creation, and, and and
were SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Told ya God knows whet you are thinking.
I'm praying for all of you tonight!!!
May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all of you. Amen.
Originally posted by XanthosNZWe can say both have a mix of experiences within them, and as far
Faith in this context is however different from faith in God. One is based on past experience and scientific fact and the other well it's based on nothing.
as claiming only one has scientific facts, well facts are fact if they are
recognized as scientific or not, that is only important to those that
have convinced themselves the only facts that matter are those they
can say are scientific.
Kelly
Originally posted by frogstompI read your definitions, and I reject them it isn't a matter of my
I just gave you the definitions and you still won't let yourself understand ! I really do feel sorry for you.
understanding, I simply disagree with you. Are you under the
impression that if and only if I accept your definitions that I have
a clear understanding of your point? I’m willing to say we can
part company agreeing to disagree, it isn’t like the world ends
when one cannot convince another of their point of view.
Kelly
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Originally posted by scottishinnzNo it isn't, but I see you wish to make it that way. I can say gravity
Are you sure it's not angels pulling it down? They could be invisible angels. You'll never know. It would be silly to assume that the apple falls due to gravity when there are perfectly good angels there to do it.
That's what your arguments boil down to Kelly.
did it when I watched an apple fall. I can be mistaken to assume
gravity did it when got plucked out of the tree set down on the ground
by someone intending to eat it and not doing so for whatever reason,
and then I see it, my assumption would be wrong. My point is you
assume knowledge that isn't really available to you and claim your
grasp of the universe is such that you cannot be in error on points you
only believe are occurring. When you tell me that you know a process
is going on that takes billions of years to reveal itself you have as
much going for you as I do when I say God created the universe, see
the universe God did that! You want to think your belief in evolution is
better than my saying God did it, fine by me, but you are walking
around in faith not fact when you do so.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat things do you call facts that I wouldn't call facts?
We can say both have a mix of experiences within them, and as far
as claiming only one has scientific facts, well facts are fact if they are
recognized as scientific or not, that is only important to those that
have convinced themselves the only facts that matter are those they
can say are scientific.
Kelly