Originally posted by KellyJayThere are accepted bodies of knowlege in classical history, physics, evolutionary biology and many othe areas of human endeavour. These bodies of knowlege are the foundation for progress. Should they proove unsound they accepted point of view is overturned (yes, science is flexible).
We can say both have a mix of experiences within them, and as far
as claiming only one has scientific facts, well facts are fact if they are
recognized as scientific or not, that is only important to those that
have convinced themselves the only facts that matter are those they
can say are scientific.
Kelly
Your arguments to dismiss these bodies of knowlege can be summed up as "I don't like these accepted facts therefore I will dismiss them as 'faith' with no justification."
If I were to dismiss the accepted facts on the origin of the bible on the basis of no evidence you would think me an idiot. If I patronised you in the process you would think me an irritating idiot.
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Originally posted by aardvarkhomeA couple of things here, one I don't dismiss things that are faith
There are accepted bodies of knowlege in classical history, physics, evolutionary biology and many othe areas of human endeavour. These bodies of knowlege are the foundation for progress. Should they proove unsound they accepted point of view is overturned (yes, science is flexible).
Your arguments to dismiss these bodies of knowlege can be summed u ink me an idiot. If I patronised you in the process you would think me an irritating idiot.
simply because they are faith, that isn't reason enough to dismiss
anything. It is the difference between a taking a reading or having
to come up with a calculation to achieve something when it is quite
possible not all the variables have been accounted for, you simply
do not know for sure! When you or another tells me one dating
method is better than another it is only, and I mean only your best
guess that can bottom line that, because you have no way what so
ever of knowing if you have all your i dotted and all your t crossed.
You can only assume you know this or that is correct, you cannot
verify your readings except with another dating method that could be
just as accurate, or hold all the same or a different set of errors.
You may use your dating methods, but the results are riddled with
faith and all the other things you tie into reality because of these
results also have at their foundations faith, because of these dates
you came up with.
I agree science is flexible; it has to be, why? Because people error,
there are things we don't know yet once they come to light we have
to change our way of viewing things. It is what it is, I'm not calling
it bad or evil or flawed, it is simply us gathering together what we
can find and figuring it out. Science is what we make it out to be,
and some attempt to make it out to be something it isn't, which is
pure facts over faith, when in fact much of what we do deals in what
we believe is true with our current sets of beliefs and knowledge
about things.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayapplying your reasoning to religion, and it's easy to see how you are using a double standard in your reasoning.Also you are only assuming that science hasn't got it knocked. Evolution has far too much in agreement with the facts to be shunted aside, even for God.
A couple of things here, one I don't dismiss things that are faith
simply because they are faith, that isn't reason enough to dismiss
anything. It is the difference between a taking a reading or having
to come up with a calculation to achieve something when it is quite
possible not all the variables have been accounted for, you simply
do not know for s ...[text shortened]... at
we believe is true with our current sets of beliefs and knowledge
about things.
Kelly
Especially, for a God that doesn't want us to be liars.
Originally posted by KellyJayThere is an accepted body of knowlege in many fields. You choose to decry one of them not on the basis of evidence but from a politically motivated to discredit one of the pillars of arguement that undermines biblical fundementalism. Get real
A couple of things here, one I don't dismiss things that are faith
simply because they are faith, that isn't reason enough to dismiss
anything. It is the difference between a taking a reading or having
to come up with a calculation to achieve something when it is quite
possible not all the variables have been accounted for, you simply
do not know for s ...[text shortened]... at
we believe is true with our current sets of beliefs and knowledge
about things.
Kelly
Originally posted by frogstompWhat facts?
applying your reasoning to religion, and it's easy to see how you are using a double standard in your reasoning.Also you are only assuming that science hasn't got it knocked. Evolution has far too much in agreement with the facts to be shunted aside, even for God.
Especially, for a God that doesn't want us to be liars.
The ones you make up?
Made up as in you tell me this fossils means this or that?
You have your beliefs, you dress up the universe to suit your beliefs.
You want to think there is a process going on that requires billions
of years to see, and not think you are dealing in faith, you delude
yourself.
Kelly
Originally posted by aardvarkhomePardon me, but get specific if you will.
There is an accepted body of knowlege in many fields. You choose to decry one of them not on the basis of evidence but from a politically motivated to discredit one of the pillars of arguement that undermines biblical fundementalism. Get real
Saying there is an accepted body of knowledge in many fields, is
there a point to that statement?
I'm all for knowledge, and I attempt to not call something I have
no proof for a matter of fact when it isn't, but a matter of faith. You
should try looking harder at what you trust. How much of it is really
as solid as you have been making it out to be?
Kelly
Originally posted by NosracThe word sense is subjective and thus your statement is meaningless unless you add the criteria of to whom it must make sense too. If you are talking about me then it does not make sense to me hence the proof.
ONCE AGAIN I TYPE THE SAME WORDS:
PROVE THAT THE BIBLE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
Originally posted by KellyJayYou a decrying things which are accepted facts to all beyond a small circle of nutters.
Pardon me, but get specific if you will.
Saying there is an accepted body of knowledge in many fields, is
there a point to that statement?
I'm all for knowledge, and I attempt to not call something I have
no proof for a matter of fact when it isn't, but a matter of faith. You
should try looking harder at what you trust. How much of it is really
as solid as you have been making it out to be?
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayYou really are a fanatic, ya know. I don't make anything up, nor do I get my "facts" for a warmed over version of Sumerian Mythology mixed with the god of the Canaanites, named El.
What facts?
The ones you make up?
Made up as in you tell me this fossils means this or that?
You have your beliefs, you dress up the universe to suit your beliefs.
You want to think there is a process going on that requires billions
of years to see, and not think you are dealing in faith, you delude
yourself.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo Darwin was making it all up?
Pardon me, but get specific if you will.
Saying there is an accepted body of knowledge in many fields, is
there a point to that statement?
I'm all for knowledge, and I attempt to not call something I have
no proof for a matter of fact when it isn't, but a matter of faith. You
should try looking harder at what you trust. How much of it is really
as solid as you have been making it out to be?
Kelly
Biologists have been lying to us? ...
Why is it that this only happens with subjects surounding evolution. No one ever attacks any other theory as ardently as evolution. No political motivations, you say?
Originally posted by Conrau KDarwin didn't make it all up, I was under the assumption he was not
So Darwin was making it all up?
Biologists have been lying to us? ...
Why is it that this only happens with subjects surounding evolution. No one ever attacks any other theory as ardently as evolution. No political motivations, you say?
the first to have many of the ideas put forth in his book. He and those
others did come up with a story that supposedly gave a reason for life,
so their explanation is something they made it up.
Biologists have been lying to us, about what?
I am questioning evolution's truth, I was under the assumption that
is supposed to be a good thing. Unless evolution has reached the
level of belief in your eyes it is like doctrine or something.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayThis is a good thing. The problem is you base those questions on misunderstood principles (such as the 2nd law) or faulty assumptions (no one was standing there to see 'X', so 'X' can't be true).
I am questioning evolution's truth, I was under the assumption that
is supposed to be a good thing.
Kelly
-JC
The silence, on this thread, that NO ONE will even touch
the Bible and try to prove it wrong is DEAFENING!
What are y'all scared or what?
I know that the Bible is true. It is God's living Word. Believe it!
C'mon, any takers? I thought not.
Just a lot of theorists theorizing over a theory, which is false.
I will pray for all of you.