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@moonbus said
Augustine ‘s answer to your question is that children are not innocent. Their souls are just as corrupted by the fall as that of adults. Their bodies have merely not yet developed far enough to act out their corruption.
Indeed.

Of course 'the fall' is reliant on the Garden of Eden fairytale and therefore negated by the knowledge we now have about evolution.

No Adam and Eve = no original sin = no fall = no corruption defense for the innocent suffering of a child and an inactive deity.

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
Indeed.

Of course 'the fall' is reliant on the Garden of Eden fairytale and therefore negated by the knowledge we now have about evolution.

No Adam and Eve = no original sin = no fall = no corruption defense for the innocent suffering of a child and an inactive deity.
The story of Adam and Eve in the Garden cannot be taken literally, as a historical account of what really happened to mankind. It’s an allegory about growing up. A child lives in a kind of paradise for a certain period, during which everything is provided by the parents, and whatever the parents say has, from the child’s point of view., the force of law. At some point, the child comes to leave the parental home, strike out on its own, and fend for itself. Some of the decisions the young adult starts to make for itself will be at odds with what its parents may have taught it, and, from the child’s point of view, this has the effect of defying a law. For some personality types, there is also the feeling of having been thrown out of paradise, of now having to toil for one’s food and shelter, a feeling of nostalgia for the previous life of ease and comfort, longing for a paradise lost. This is encapsulated in the Garden Of Eden myth.

The reality is that God did not banish mankind from paradise. It was a fool’s paradise, which we left of our own accord. For other personality types, leaving the parental home and protection of parental laws is experienced not as loss, but as liberation.

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@moonbus

Thanks for sharing your worldview. Once you realize it is just your opinion and not necessarily true, you will be an easier person to get along with. You know, be open minded and inclusive.

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@eladar said
@moonbus

Thanks for sharing your worldview. Once you realize it is just your opinion and not necessarily true, you will be an easier person to get along with. You know, be open minded and inclusive.
Are you open minded and inclusive? (Rhetorical question).

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@eladar said
@moonbus

Thanks for sharing your worldview. Once you realize it is just your opinion and not necessarily true, you will be an easier person to get along with.
You might consider also saying this to KellyJay who does not seem to realize that what he shares here is just his worldview and opinion and not necessarily true.

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Where have I ever said that a person is an idiot for believing what he or she believes? A child of Satan yes but never do I insult their their intelligence or right to freedom of belief.

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@divegeester

As long as he continues to insult people because his beliefs are unquestionably true he will continue to have difficulty getting along with people he insults.

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@kellyjay said
Our nature is corrupted by the fall, I cannot recall who said the following that I'm paraphrasing, it is a good thing our kids are so cute, so tiny when they are growing up. They don't know right from wrong when they are little, but do we have to teach a child to say "no", "mine", or lie? You do have to teach sharing, telling the truth over lies. What do you think some of th ...[text shortened]... thing for us they got next to nothing in the range of strength to harm anyone, and we love them. 🙂
“Lord of the Flies” gives us a pretty good example of what might happen if children ruled the world.

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@eladar said
@moonbus

Thanks for sharing your worldview. Once you realize it is just your opinion and not necessarily true, you will be an easier person to get along with. You know, be open minded and inclusive.
Once you realize that I am not a Christian hater, nor am I trying to discredit Christianity as a failed religion, but rescue some sort of sanity and wisdom out from under the huge load of superstitious bronze-age baggage Christian dogma drags along with it, we might find some common ground for a rational discussion.

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@moonbus said
Once you realize that I am not a Christian hater, nor am I trying to discredit Christianity as a failed religion, but rescue some sort of sanity and wisdom out from under the huge load of superstitious bronze-age baggage Christian dogma drags along with it, we might find some common ground for a rational discussion.
So in other words you are like your sister each attempting to save the other from the evils of the other side.

So you are the equivalent of an atheistic Bible thumper.

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@eladar said
So in other words you are like your sister each attempting to save the other from the evils of the other side.

So you are the equivalent of an atheistic Bible thumper.
A hundred years ago, up until the Scopes trial, it was still just barely possible to believe that the Bible is an inerrant, factual, historical account of what really happened. The general level of knowledge then about how nature works was still pretty rudimentary. Not so today.

One of the great stumbling blocks for people nowadays to accept the Christian salvational message is that it demands that people believe in impossibilities and a history which didn’t really happen. There are some who conclude from this that Christianity is therefore nothing but lies and fairy stories, not even edifying lies and fairy stories, and that it has nothing whatever of value to offer the modern world. I am not one of them. I see much of value in it, but it is not always literally evident. Christianity is part of our cultural heritage, this cannot be denied and it would be a gross error to suppose that it could be simply jettisoned from the collective subconscious. Colloquially expressed, but not too far off the mark: “an atheistic Bible thumper.”

As for saving anyone from evil, on that I think we must agree to disagree.

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
Indeed.

Of course 'the fall' is reliant on the Garden of Eden fairytale and therefore negated by the knowledge we now have about evolution.

No Adam and Eve = no original sin = no fall = no corruption defense for the innocent suffering of a child and an inactive deity.
What hard evidence is there that does not involve filling the gaps that disproves Adam and Eve?