“That’s me in the spotlight...”

@bigdoggproblem said
This may surprise you, but I agree.

I think it is Occam's Razor that cuts out your "God".

However, it is also true that Occam's Razor's "more likely" is not equivalent to "definitely so".

In this era, it seems a long shot, but long shots do come in on occasion.

Country House started the Derby today as a 65-1 long shot.

-Removed-

I had to check your link.

This is definitely a subculture I somehow skipped hearing about, probably because it was vastly more popular in Britain. Skinheads here in America are mostly the Neo-Nazi types, not the more apolitical mostly working-class groups one finds in Britain. I have obliquely tangled with a couple of these far-right biker types and they are mostly nasty pieces of work. I've learned to avoid these types if I can.

@eladar said
Lol you mean you actually care about the thumbs thing? I was wondering what td means to me it means touchdown.

The thumbs just means I hate that person which is not the original intent of the system but people have taken it as a way of abusing other people. Do not worry about the possible contribution. The td has nothing to do with the actual conversation. It is simply an a ...[text shortened]... by lesser people to drive me away so they can belittle and put down without anyone saying anything.

And to your mind, of course it's not people actively rejecting your bizarre take on the world.

I say of course it is.

And sometimes one doesn't have the stomach to interact with people who turn their stomach, but they still want to send their "Nope!" message.

@eladar said
According to the traditional American societal point of view what is best for society is to tolerate different points of view.

This may come as a complete shock to you and your baked-in intolerance, but yes, America IS at its best when we tolerate different points of view. This is a country made up of people from all over the world. If we're ever going to get together and make things right again, a bit of tolerance for people who are not like you is key.

@eladar said
How can you convince a person their falsifiable assumptions are false?

That depends less on the assumption, and more on the willingness of the person who holds it to entertain counter-evidence and counter-arguments.

@moonbus said
So, would you like enter the discussion and tell us whether you came to Christianity through a special experience, or were born and raised into it, or after careful and studious research into alternative spiritual paths, or via some other route?

I've shared my "Christianity" story before in this forum. Perhaps those who have heard it before can just skip my post and go read a comic book for awhile or something. 🙂

My parents were ostensibly "Christian". Just ostensibly because they were apparently not aware that the defining notion of Christian is one who has accepted Jesus as their Savior and accepted His sacrificial gift of salvation and follow Him and strive to fulfill God's will for their life. They were under the impression that a Christian just believes in God and Jesus and tries to be a "good person". I was like this from a young age, we went to church and I went to Sunday School. We never thought it was more than that. In college, I joined the Alpha Chi Omega sorority and we became involved with domestic violence issues as our cause. After I moved into the sorority house, two sorority sisters (we became fast friends, I was a bridesmaid at both their weddings and we all are close like family now, their kids all call me Aunt Suzi), who were Christians, were also involved with Campus Crusade for Christ, and they took it upon themselves to teach me what being a real Christian was all about, how being a Christian was not only about belief in God and following Jesus, but was also about service to others. I was raised Episcopalian, but after college, I bounced around from church to church, interestingly I always gravitated toward the Wesleyan churches rather than the Calvinist churches, so I was Methodist for a long time, and eventually came home to the Episcopalian church.

So I guess you could say that I always had a somewhat Christian background growing up but didn't "officially" become Christian seriously until college. After college, I did manage to sit my parents down and explain all I had learned about actual Christianity and managed to finally get them on board. My dad's final words to me before he passed away in 2006 were "See you on the other side, Sunshine."

@kellyjay said
Really, you can prove that?
I've attempted to get you to watch this discussed in great detail you refused.
So, where is your proof?
Perfectly loving is one quality of God, omnipotent another, so is Holy, and being Just another.
You think one quality of God cancels out others, or is it possible your grasp of God is what is really amiss?

As I said, 'We can certainly prove that a God that is both omnipotent and perfectly loving doesn't exist. The evidence (suffering of the innocent and the like) is all around us.'

Take for example an infant dying from a terminal disease. 'Your' God either can't or won't intervene. If he 'cannot' then He is not omnipotent, and if he 'will not' then He cannot be perfectly loving. With the existence of such suffering of the innocent, it is impossible for God to be both all powerful and all loving. (Hence proving such a God doesn't exist).

And I am here to discuss not watch videos. If 'you' have a valid response, make it. (Though honestly don't bother if this response is to be blasé about innocence or infer somehow free will has a role to play in a child dying of a terminal illness).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
As I said, 'We can certainly prove that a God that is both omnipotent and perfectly loving doesn't exist. The evidence (suffering of the innocent and the like) is all around us.'

Take for example an infant dying from a terminal disease. 'Your' God either can't or won't intervene. If he 'cannot' then He is not omnipotent, and if he 'will not' then He cannot be perfe ...[text shortened]... out innocence or infer somehow free will has a role to play in a child dying of a terminal illness).

Oh sure you will discuss it as long as I only use arguments you want to see! Don’t pretend that you are doing anything other than sticking your head in the ground and pretending you have all the answers.

You have given me links to read and I did, I have given you videos in the past that you have watched and discussed, so I am calling BS on refusal. If you don’t want your mind changed quit pretending you are willing to debate!

@kellyjay said
Oh sure you will discuss it as long as I only use arguments you want to see! Don’t pretend that you are doing anything other than sticking your head in the ground and pretending you have all the answers.

You have given me links to read and I did, I have given you videos in the past that you have watched and discussed, so I am calling BS on refusal. If you don’t want your mind changed quit pretending you are willing to debate!

He simply believes if it is obviously true for him tjat evetyone must believe it too. If he beloeves it, it has been proven true.

@eladar said
He simply believes if it is obviously true for him tjat evetyone must believe it too. If he beloeves it, it has been proven true.

I would have to say most people are like that with respect to themselves, I think Duke is very level headed. Just not at all in agreement with him here, well also in a few other things too! 🙂

@kellyjay said
I would have to say most people are like that with respect to themselves, I think Duke is very level headed. Just not at all in agreement with him here, well also in a few other things too! 🙂

I disagree on all counts.

@eladar said
He simply believes if it is obviously true for him tjat evetyone must believe it too. If he beloeves it, it has been proven true.

I don't believe there is a life after death. I don't think everyone must believe the same as me. I don't think Ghost of a Duke thinks everyone must believe the same as him either.

@eladar said
I disagree on all counts.

We can disagree, that is part of the life we all have at the moment. We are all wrestling with the truth and our priorities, what is a fair point, and what is worth disagreeing with each other about.