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@eladar saidNow now, Dear Eladar, I think there might be a touch of jazz involved in the music of the spheres.
@caesar-salad
Only after certain people end up in hell.
Maybe some incense, but mostly jazz.
@moonbus saidI gave the link to the topic you brought up in this thread. Would appreciate it if you would read what I wrote and continue the discussion there. You dropping out of the discussion allows others to claim that I am just trying to cause problems. In fact I am only answering your question.
No, please link.
BTW, I believe I read somewhere that they have recently announced that they are to be referred to as Seventh Day Adventists, no longer as Mormons.
@suzianne saidOops, how silly of me. It's not easy keeping track of all the variants.
@moonbus
No, the Seventh-Day Adventists (SDA) are a whole different bunch than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS). Practically none of their dogma is similar at all.
About the only thing they have in common is being 'out-of-the-mainstream' of Christianity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
@eladar saidI ask for your patience. I do have life, you know: children, job, moving house. Will respond in the appropriate thread in due course.
I gave the link to the topic you brought up in this thread. Would appreciate it if you would read what I wrote and continue the discussion there. You dropping out of the discussion allows others to claim that I am just trying to cause problems. In fact I am only answering your question.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYour mindset relative to the answer to that question is hung up on the idea that suffering is irreconcilable with the idea of the existence of God.
If you have arguments against what I wrote, present them.
Why doesn't an omnipotent and perfectly loving God intervene when an infant is dying of a terminal illness? Can't He? Won't He? Which is it?!
The fact that suffering exists, and continues to exist, isn't evidence that God doesn't. You know in your gut suffering is wrong. Why does suffering exist? There's obviously a reason. Can the reason suffering exists be attributed to evolutionary causes?
Evolutionarily speaking, is suffering really suffering? Or is it just what it is? Suffering has a cause. We don't like suffering. We know it's wrong. It appears that evolution is cruel.
Using the logic you employ to disprove the existence of God can be equally used to disprove evolution. If God doesn't exist because God doesn't intervene on behalf of the suffering, why doesn't evolution?
Do we have to wait for evolution to run its course for another 400 billion years to eradicate suffering?
God will intervene in due time. In God's own time, not ours.
@secondson saidSuffering makes perfect sense in an evolutionary context. It doesn't make sense in a Christian context.
Your mindset relative to the answer to that question is hung up on the idea that suffering is irreconcilable with the idea of the existence of God.
The fact that suffering exists, and continues to exist, isn't evidence that God doesn't. You know in your gut suffering is wrong. Why does suffering exist? There's obviously a reason. Can the reason suffering exists be attrib ...[text shortened]... illion years to eradicate suffering?
God will intervene in due time. In God's own time, not ours.
That's the bottom line.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou got it backwards. 😉
Suffering makes perfect sense in an evolutionary context. It doesn't make sense in a Christian context.
That's the bottom line.
@secondson saidEvolution operates on a system of survival of the fittest. The less fit, therefore, will suffer and perish. There is no God in the equation who apparently has the power and love to do something about it.
You got it backwards. 😉
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThen if there's no God why do you waste your time trying to prove it?
Evolution operates on a system of survival of the fittest. The less fit, therefore, will suffer and perish. There is no God in the equation who apparently has the power and love to do something about it.
So, according to the evolutionary dogma you believe in its morally acceptable for the strong to inflict suffering on the weak. You do know don't you that the Bible condemns that notion?
You do understand don't you that the Hitlarian philosophy of the supreme race is connected to the evolutionary concept of the "survival of the fittest"?
God expressed his love by sending his son to pay the ultimate price for the cause of all the worlds suffering. Won't you be surprised when Jesus returns and ends the suffering, and it won't end until he does.
Of course you're welcomed to wait a few hundred billion more years to see how evolution turns out and ends the suffering.
@secondson saidDebate and discussion on the existence of God belongs on this forum, does it not?
Then if there's no God why do you waste your time trying to prove it?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWe actually spoke about this pretty extensively in the other thread.
Suffering makes perfect sense in an evolutionary context. It doesn't make sense in a Christian context.
That's the bottom line.
Romans 5 talks about how suffering produces righteousness -- and, perhaps not if for the person who is suffering and perishing, it can also serve to produce righteousness in others due to the interconnectivity of all people.
Nothing is in vain, really, when it comes to suffering.