Originally posted by JohnLennonForeverExactly and since the Lakers will most likely be number one in the Western Conference and considering the fact that they have drastically improved from only 42 wins last year, Kobe should be locked for MVP if we are going by the article from 82games that marauder so kindly offered.
Doesn't matter, Kobe will still have more points and that means something.
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Originally posted by 425lsuThis has already been discussed many times throughout this thread but the Lakers were already considered a championship contender even before Pau got there. Kobe and the Lakers are atop the Western Conference despite having issues at the five spot: Bynum 25 starts, Pau 26 starts, Ronny 21 starts (not all as a 5), Kwame 14 starts, Mihm 5 starts, and Odom and Mbenga have also played some mins as Center. I don't think you realize how important the five spot is in the NBA. The five is the position on the hardwood where defense is primarily anchored from (google Bill Russell, the prototypical center). The Lakers have had to deal with chemistry issues all year because of their lack at a consistent center, yet they are still ranked as a top 10 defense this season. I think the Lakers would of had an even better record if they had a consistent starting Center. Just imagine if Bynum had stayed healthy; he was putting up Howard like numbers just before he busted his knee.
What about CP3 bringing the SAME team he had last year up from 39 wins. UNLIKE the Lakers who ADDED another all-star in Pau Gasol.
I don't see why people are so surprized with the Hornet's amazing turnaround season. If you look at the facts, CP3, Peja, and West all missed significant time last season due to injuries.
So lets look at the three MVP candidate's team's injuries from last year:
Lakers - Odom, Walton, Cook, Radman, Kwame, Mihm
NO - CP3, West, Peja
Boston - Pierce, Wally, T Allen
Its no wonder all of those teams did bad last year, they all had key injuries. Y'all need to do more research, jesus.
Originally posted by MoneyManMikeLOL alright dude whatever. That doesnt change the fact that the Lakers had to "steal" an All-Star to be where they are today. ANd you can not tell me that you thought in the beginning of the season that you thought the Hornets had a legitmaite chance at being the No.1 seed in the West.
This has already been discussed many times throughout this thread but the Lakers were already considered a championship contender even before Pau got there. Kobe and the Lakers are atop the Western Conference despite having issues at the five spot: Bynum 25 starts, Pau 26 starts, Ronny 21 starts (not all as a 5), Kwame 14 starts, Mihm 5 starts, and Od ...[text shortened]... eams did bad last year, they all had key injuries. Y'all need to do more research, jesus.
IM talking before the season BEFORE injuries before ANYTHING, from what ive heard many sports writers had them finishing either a) not in the playoffs or b) around the eigth seed. So, CP3 has brought his team from above expectations.
Originally posted by MoneyManMikeLaker fans are sure delusional; Bynum was averaging 13.2 PPG and 10.1 RPG. Those are hardly "Howard like numbers"; the latter is averaging 20.9 PPG and 14.3 RPG.
This has already been discussed many times throughout this thread but the Lakers were already considered a championship contender even before Pau got there. Kobe and the Lakers are atop the Western Conference despite having issues at the five spot: Bynum 25 starts, Pau 26 starts, Ronny 21 starts (not all as a 5), Kwame 14 starts, Mihm 5 starts, and Od ...[text shortened]... eams did bad last year, they all had key injuries. Y'all need to do more research, jesus.
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Originally posted by MoneyManMikeYou need to do some research; the Celts were bad with or without Pierce last year. For the record they were 20-27 in games Pierce played, which extrapolated for the season would leave them with 35 wins. It's true they were awful without him, 4-31, but even with him they weren't a playoff team by any stretch of the imagination.
This has already been discussed many times throughout this thread but the Lakers were already considered a championship contender even before Pau got there. Kobe and the Lakers are atop the Western Conference despite having issues at the five spot: Bynum 25 starts, Pau 26 starts, Ronny 21 starts (not all as a 5), Kwame 14 starts, Mihm 5 starts, and Od eams did bad last year, they all had key injuries. Y'all need to do more research, jesus.
Originally posted by 425lsuIf you think they had to steal Gasol to be where they are today, you are INSANE. As Moneyman said the Lakers were considered a threat in the west LONG before Gasol got there. But if you truly feel that they had to steal him to be where they are at, then the same can be applied to KG for those of you who feel that he is the main reason for the Celtics turnaround. Most of you insist that they would not be where they are at without him and therefore they had to STEAL him to be where they are at.
LOL alright dude whatever. That doesnt change the fact that the Lakers had to "steal" an All-Star to be where they are today. ANd you can not tell me that you thought in the beginning of the season that you thought the Hornets had a legitmaite chance at being the No.1 seed in the West.
IM talking before the season BEFORE injuries before ANYTHING, from wh ...[text shortened]... e playoffs or b) around the eigth seed. So, CP3 has brought his team from above expectations.
Originally posted by JohnLennonForeverThen you are agreeing with me in that ... the Lakers were expected to be where they are at ... where as the Hornets were picked to not even be in the playoff picture or barely make it with an eight seed. The Hornets have exceeded expectations because of CP3
If you think they had to steal Gasol to be where they are today, you are INSANE. As Moneyman said the Lakers were considered a threat in the west LONG before Gasol got there. But if you truly feel that they had to steal him to be where they are at, then the same can be applied to KG for those of you who feel that he is the main reason for the Celti ...[text shortened]... ot be where they are at without him and therefore they had to STEAL him to be where they are at.
Originally posted by JohnLennonForeverThe Celtics gave up a fine young big man in Jefferson and several other decent players to land KG. The Lakers gave up nothing of any value for Gasol. Hence, the "steal" part.
If you think they had to steal Gasol to be where they are today, you are INSANE. As Moneyman said the Lakers were considered a threat in the west LONG before Gasol got there. But if you truly feel that they had to steal him to be where they are at, then the same can be applied to KG for those of you who feel that he is the main reason for the Celti ...[text shortened]... ot be where they are at without him and therefore they had to STEAL him to be where they are at.
Originally posted by no1marauderLooking at this criteria, which the author claims applies to every MVP award in the last 20 years, Chris Paul is the only one who meets all the criteria. I calculated the tendex ratings for the top three in the last two years at: http://www.weekbeforenext.com/scouting_report_generator/
This has been explained to you several times. The Most Valuable Player in the LEAGUE is the one who has had the biggest impact on the standings. That is completely different from a Player of the Year which is an award that goes to the most outstanding player regardless of how his team does. LeBron would probably be the Player of the Year (or perhaps Howa ...[text shortened]... assume that those two ingredients are equally important.
http://www.82games.com/wilq.htm
and Paul's jumped from 57.6% to 74.0% from 2006-2007 to 2007-08.
KG's was the highest of the three this year at 75.5% but that was only an increase of 1.6 (not the minimum of 3 he sites) from last year (and KG did not lead to league in any of the categories)
Kobe moved up only marginally in the tendex rating to 68.4 from 67.7 quite a bit lower than the other two.
So if the MVP voters act according to the criteria they have in the past, Paul will win it.
Originally posted by 425lsuyea i didn't have the Hornets in the playoffs in the preseason, I also didn't know where the Lakers would be this year and if Kobe would even finish the season as a Laker. So both teams have been surprising.
LOL alright dude whatever. That doesnt change the fact that the Lakers had to "steal" an All-Star to be where they are today. ANd you can not tell me that you thought in the beginning of the season that you thought the Hornets had a legitmaite chance at being the No.1 seed in the West.
IM talking before the season BEFORE injuries before ANYTHING, from wh ...[text shortened]... e playoffs or b) around the eigth seed. So, CP3 has brought his team from above expectations.
Originally posted by 425lsuThe Lakers weren't ever expected to be number 1 in the West, nor did sports writers expect for every team in the Western playoff race to have 50 wins, nor did sports writers imagine that Shaq would get traded to the Suns. It has been a year of surprises, and non of them give CP3 a considerable advantage over Kobe in the MVP race.
Then you are agreeing with me in that ... the Lakers were expected to be where they are at ... where as the Hornets were picked to not even be in the playoff picture or barely make it with an eight seed. The Hornets have exceeded expectations because of CP3