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@no1marauder saidWhat is your source of information?
The fact that Israel informed the US Military Attache in Tel Aviv that it was Israeli forces that attacked the Liberty less than an hour and a half afterwards (he was then transported to the Liberty itself) makes the "false flag" claim untenable.
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@metal-brain saidHolding your breath until you turn blue does not negate Arfsten's statement. He was there, you were not.
The planes were unmarked. You read disinformation.
@metal-brain saidI already gave it. Furthermore:
What is your source of information?
"Back in Tel Aviv, the Israeli Foreign Liaison Office was arranging for a helicopter to fly Commander Castle, U.S. Naval Attache, to the Liberty so that he might communicate with its commanding officer. The helicopter left Dov Hoss (now SdeDov) airfield on the northern side of Tel Aviv at 1810 hours and proceeded directly to the Liberty. By 1835 hours, the Israeli Sikorsky helicopter, carrying Commander Castle, was over the ship hovering at approximately 30 feet from bridge level."
https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/chronology-events/attack-sigint.pdf p. 34
Castle's testimony that the Israelis flew him to the Liberty after informing him that the Israeli forces were responsible less than an hour and a half after the end of the attack was presented to the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry at 7816-67; Liberty Incident, 8 Jun 1967; Record of Proceedings. (Footnote 31)
@no1marauder saidIt was an NSA ship. The NSA was part of the false flag setup. Find another source.
I already gave it. Furthermore:
"Back in Tel Aviv, the Israeli Foreign Liaison Office was arranging for a helicopter to fly Commander Castle, U.S. Naval Attache, to the Liberty so that he might communicate with its commanding officer. The helicopter left Dov Hoss (now SdeDov) airfield on the northern side of Tel Aviv at 1810 hours and proceeded directly to the Liberty. ...[text shortened]... vy Court of Inquiry at 7816-67; Liberty Incident, 8 Jun 1967; Record of Proceedings. (Footnote 31)
Do you trust the BBC as a source?
https://rumble.com/v41dg1g-the-day-israel-attacked-uss-liberty-dead-in-the-water-bbc-documentary-2002.html
@metal-brain saidI already told you to GFY.
It was an NSA ship. The NSA was part of the false flag setup. Find another source.
Do you trust the BBC as a source?
https://rumble.com/v41dg1g-the-day-israel-attacked-uss-liberty-dead-in-the-water-bbc-documentary-2002.html
I don't need the Lions of Liberty or rumble when I have once classified information that is now in the public record.
BTW, the Liberty was never "dead in the water"; it steamed off under its own power.
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@no1marauder
Do you trust the BBC as a source? Yes or no?
https://rumble.com/v41dg1g-the-day-israel-attacked-uss-liberty-dead-in-the-water-bbc-documentary-2002.html
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@metal-brain saidIt's fine as a source generally but that documentary was made by a nutty conspiracy theorist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hounam
@no1marauder
Do you trust the BBC as a source? Yes or no?
https://rumble.com/v41dg1g-the-day-israel-attacked-uss-liberty-dead-in-the-water-bbc-documentary-2002.html
I don't have to accept every far-fetched claim made in a BBC documentary when I have reliable information to the contrary. Just because the BBC airs something, doesn't mean it is vouching that everything in it is true.
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@no1marauder saidThe first document, a formerly unreleased NSA classification guide, details which elements of the incident the agency still regarded as secret as of 2006. The second lists a series of unauthorized signals intelligence disclosures that “have had a detrimental effect on our ability to produce intelligence against terrorist targets and other targets of national concern.” Remarkably, information relevant to the attack on the Liberty falls within this highly secret category.
I already gave it. Furthermore:
"Back in Tel Aviv, the Israeli Foreign Liaison Office was arranging for a helicopter to fly Commander Castle, U.S. Naval Attache, to the Liberty so that he might communicate with its commanding officer. The helicopter left Dov Hoss (now SdeDov) airfield on the northern side of Tel Aviv at 1810 hours and proceeded directly to the Liberty. ...[text shortened]... vy Court of Inquiry at 7816-67; Liberty Incident, 8 Jun 1967; Record of Proceedings. (Footnote 31)
Though neither document reveals conclusive information about the causes of the assault, both highlight that at the time of their publication — approximately four decades after the incident — the NSA was determined to keep even seemingly minor details about the attack classified. The agency declined to comment for this article.
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/06/fifty-years-later-nsa-keeps-details-of-israels-uss-liberty-attack-secret/
The NSA is part of the cover up. The survivors who had been on board received gag orders forbidding them to ever talk about what they endured that day.
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@no1marauder saidhttps://lbjthemasterofdeceit.com/2020/06/01/a-state-secret-the-closest-the-u-s-ever-came-to-a-nuclear-confrontation-june-8-1967/#_edn1
It's fine as a source generally but that documentary was made by a nutty conspiracy theorist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hounam
I don't have to accept every far-fetched claim made in a BBC documentary when I have reliable information to the contrary. Just because the BBC airs something, doesn't mean it is vouching that everything in it is true.
@metal-brain saidLMFAO!
https://lbjthemasterofdeceit.com/2020/06/01/a-state-secret-the-closest-the-u-s-ever-came-to-a-nuclear-confrontation-june-8-1967/#_edn1
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As if Johnson would not do that sort of thing. LOL!
https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2008/february/truth-about-tonkin
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@metal-brain saidNot only do the survivors talk about it, but they have a website devoted to the attack. https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/
The first document, a formerly unreleased NSA classification guide, details which elements of the incident the agency still regarded as secret as of 2006. The second lists a series of unauthorized signals intelligence disclosures that “have had a detrimental effect on our ability to produce intelligence against terrorist targets and other targets of national concern.” Rem ...[text shortened]... had been on board received gag orders forbidding them to ever talk about what they endured that day.
@no1marauder saidThat website says this:
Not only do the survivors talk about it, but they have a website devoted to the attack. https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/
"The use of unmarked aircraft by the forces attacking the USS Liberty"
You were wrong about that. The boats were marked though. That is how they discovered they were Israelis. Where did you get your disinformation?
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That organization prepared a report which heavily relies of the NSA document you refuse to consider and confirmed that Israel promptly informed the US Naval Attache in Tel Aviv that the attack was done by Israeli forces:
"Shortly after the Sixth Fleet transmission of the rules of engagement to its dispatched rescue aircraft, the Israeli torpedo boats suddenly broke off their attack and transmitted messages asking if USS Liberty required assistance.29 At the same time, an Israeli naval officer notified the US Naval Attaché at the American Embassy in Tel Aviv that Israeli forces had mistakenly attacked a United States Navy ship and apologized. The Naval Attaché notified the United States Sixth Fleet30 and the rescue aircraft were recalled before they arrived at the scene of the attack.31"
https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/files/War%20Crimes%20Report.pdf pp. 8-9
@metal-brain saidHow many times do I have to tell you? From the testimony of a sailor on board that I have referenced twice already.
That website says this:
"The use of unmarked aircraft by the forces attacking the USS Liberty"
You were wrong about that. The boats were marked though. That is how they discovered they were Israelis. Where did you get your disinformation?
They cite it as an "allegation" but it would have been almost impossible to see markings on aircraft as far away at high altitudes and travelling at a speed that would cover a mile in three seconds until they commenced the attack.