How long till the SS shoe drops?

@sh76 said
You started a thread to complain about something that has never even been threatened?

IF (and it's a big IF), social security is ever reformed, it will be phased in over decades. People already on SS won't be affected.

Unfortunately, it seems that nobody has the guts to reform SS anyway...

Unfortunately, it seems that nobody has the guts to reform SS anyway...
There's no need to reform it once the government pays back the trillions of $ it owes the Social Security Fund. You know, our national debt.

@sonhouse said
As a certified old fart on SS, with the the way Trump is destroying government agencies, I get more distressed every month wondering if this will be the month I get no check when that check is literally what keeps us from living in the streets.

Not a good start for. a thread, misrepresenting that the administration is 'destroying' government agencies. Could you say, maybe, retooling, maybe improving efficiency and costs?
Sonhouse,, do you think we need to just stay on the same course? We pay a trillion in interest each year, and yet you want free college for example. And free other stuff. Why don't you just suggest printing money??

@AverageJoe1 said
Not a good start for. a thread, misrepresenting that the administration is 'destroying' government agencies. Could you say, maybe, retooling, maybe improving efficiency and costs?
Sonhouse,, do you think we need to just stay on the same course? We pay a trillion in interest each year, and yet you want free college for example. And free other stuff. Why don't you just suggest printing money??

So you think it's just FINE the phone service to SS is totally screwed, and VA has been cut so deep they can't even sterilize medical tools like scalpels and such, fining THOSANDS of workers who knew their jobs and kept government smoothly running.

Or trying to kill the Peace company, NOT EVEN A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
Or the attack on Harvard where they claim it is rife with antisemitism while Trump was unaware the flipping PRESIDENT of Harvard is JEWISH.

Killing USAID, because MUSK hated it. BTW the death count is up to THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND NOW as a direct result of the end of USAID.
And that ugly bill that WILL cut MORE than a Trillion dollars from just two programs, Medicaid and Snap.

And some national parks can't admit people because Trump fired most of the employees.

And you don't thing that is destruction of government?

After the OBVIOUS corruption and anti democracy effort of Trump is over it will take YEARS to get the government back to where it was in terms of functionality and to gain back the trust of our former allies.

I guess you didn't factor in the loss of our allies and just what that means to the US. Like considering how utterly incompetent our leaders in defense and intelligence are right now with Hegseth spewing out TOP SECRET data about upcoming military strikes, and Trump revealing lists of foreign assets whose very lives are in danger now, we used to depend on our allies giving us intel but not any more, our former allies cannot trust us to guard that data they provide so now OUR OWN national security is compromised by just that one thing, end of the trust of allies.

For one thing, those allied countries have issued warnings DO NOT GO TO THE US for fear of being arrested by masked men supposedly legal agents.

And because of Trump, tourism is down some 30% and the states depending on tourism are hurting.

So KISS MY ASS Trump IS destroying the government and if he gets his way with this POS bill SCOTUS and lower courts will be unable to enforce orders which means Trump would have taken over legislative AND Judicial so there would be NOBODY left to curb the abuse of power Trump exercises every day.

Like the Tariff war that WILL cause small businesses to go bankrupt but you don't that that is destruction of government?

Wanting to pull out of NATO? Wanting to kill FEMA? when hurricane season is just starting.

Or allowing MUSK and his thugs to hack into all our most sensitive data banks to make the MASTER DATA list formerly protected by weak privacy laws, where other countries saw the danger in some agency making a master data list and so made strong laws preventing that, BTW if you don't know what a master data list is, CHINA has one, where they know EVERYTHING about EVERYONE in the country, any past convictions for instance or your mental history or your medical history or your job evaluations or your tax forms ALL IN ONE PLACE which is the HALLMARK of dictatorships all around the world.

So now Trump HAS that list thanks to Musk hacking into all our data bases at IRS, SS, VA and the rest.
AND that also means MUSK has access to that list so he can use that to screw over his competitors because that list also has data ALL our companies and THAT gives Musk an edge over competition.

I bet you don't even know what a master data base IS and the consequences and how dangerous that list can be in the wrong hands for both US citizens and US companies.

And you don't thing that is destruction of government?

I do not agree that that is the destruction of government. You throw words around willy-nilliy, there are children posting here......

Destruction: The action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired.

@AverageJoe1 said
I do not agree that that is the destruction of government. You throw words around willy-nilliy, there are children posting here......

Destruction: The action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired.

RIGHT. WILLY NILLY. Spoken by a dude who just doesn't care what is going on.
What I said was the truth. For instance do you think I am lying about say tourism down 30%?
This is easily accessible information.
ALL of what I posted can be proven.

@KingDavid403 said
Unfortunately, it seems that nobody has the guts to reform SS anyway...
There's no need to reform it once the government pays back the trillions of $ it owes the Social Security Fund. You know, our national debt.

Writing an IOU to Yourself Does Not Generate Real Wealth

To illustrate how IOUs that you write on your own behalf do not create real wealth, imagine you set aside $10,000 in a savings account when your daughter is born to give her a head start when she turns 18. But instead of leaving that money in the account, you withdraw it immediately to spend it on something else and write yourself an IOU. Once your daughter turns 18, if the money still isn’t there, you’re confronted with three choices: renege on your promise, borrow the money, or work more to pay yourself back.

This is similar to how the government operates Social Security’s trust fund, creating a cycle of borrowing that adds to the taxpayer debt burden. Social Security’s trust fund is a taxes-in/benefits-out pipeline.

When the government collected more in Social Security payroll taxes than it needed to provide benefits, the Treasury spent the surplus on other government activities and wrote an IOU promising to repay the Social Security Administration.

With the Social Security Administration now calling on those IOUs, the Treasury must borrow more money to provide Social Security benefits.

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/social-security-trust-fund-myth#writing-iou-yourself-does-not-generate-real-wealth

@AverageJoe1 said
Did you follow she/her said that $9.4B is not close to a trillion?

What I said is true, compared to what you said here, which is not true.

@AverageJoe1 said
He is doing his best. Today he sends a Bill to the Congress to cut $9.4B ( almost $1T). from USAID and from NPR and PBS. This is all about Musk and his work with DOGE. DOGE, Sonhouse.

Please give us a positive comment on money he is saving, Musk's $1T goal is almost accomplished. What amazing service Musk is to the American People.
No more non-existent receivers of SS money.

That is what you said. I took exception to this bit in particular.

to cut $9.4B ( almost $1T)

How in the hell is 9.4 billion even close to 1 trillion? It is 0.94% of a trillion.

Please explain how you think it is "almost $1T".

@Suzianne said
What I said is true, compared to what you said here, which is not true.

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@AverageJoe1 said
He is doing his best. Today he sends a Bill to the Congress to cut $9.4B ( almost $1T). from USAID and from NPR and PBS. This is all about Musk and his work with DOGE. DOGE, Sonhouse.

Please give us a positive comment on money he is saving, Musk's ...[text shortened]... close to 1 trillion? It is 0.94% of a trillion.

Please explain how you think it is "almost $1T".

Picky picky🙂

@AverageJoe1 said
I do not agree that that is the destruction of government. You throw words around willy-nilliy, there are children posting here......

Destruction: The action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired.

Like USAID?

Like Musk did with the federal jobs of hundreds of thousands of government employees?

@Suzianne said
Like USAID?

Like Musk did with the federal jobs of hundreds of thousands of government employees?

BTW the shoe has already started to drop on MY SS account. my SS has been reduced RIGHT NOW one hundred and ten dollars.
So tell me again why I should not be anxious about my future?

@AverageJoe1 said
Not a good start for. a thread, misrepresenting that the administration is 'destroying' government agencies. Could you say, maybe, retooling, maybe improving efficiency and costs?
Sonhouse,, do you think we need to just stay on the same course? We pay a trillion in interest each year, and yet you want free college for example. And free other stuff. Why don't you just suggest printing money??

Destroying is exactly the proper verb.

@Suzianne said
What I said is true, compared to what you said here, which is not true.

[quote]@AverageJoe1 said
He is doing his best. Today he sends a Bill to the Congress to cut $9.4B ( almost $1T). from USAID and from NPR and PBS. This is all about Musk and his work with DOGE. DOGE, Sonhouse.

Please give us a positive comment on money he is saving, Musk's $1 ...[text shortened]... close to 1 trillion? It is 0.94% of a trillion.

Please explain how you think it is "almost $1T".

That's what the idiots on fox entertainment told him. Idiots listen to idiots.

@Suzianne said
What I said is true, compared to what you said here, which is not true.

[quote]@AverageJoe1 said
He is doing his best. Today he sends a Bill to the Congress to cut $9.4B ( almost $1T). from USAID and from NPR and PBS. This is all about Musk and his work with DOGE. DOGE, Sonhouse.

Please give us a positive comment on money he is saving, Musk's $1 ...[text shortened]... close to 1 trillion? It is 0.94% of a trillion.

Please explain how you think it is "almost $1T".

Ajoe nailed, get it out there, Avjoe read 9.4 B like maybe Joe Biden would?
Trump would know exactly....I am trying to be more like Trump, give me time. Except that he is always working and never sleeps.

@Suzianne said
Like USAID?

Like Musk did with the federal jobs of hundreds of thousands of government employees?

Was there not good reason? People with more knowledge than you and I thought differently than you do, that's all. For instance, you think govt should provide free college.....they don't think so. One of you is wrong , of course. . Could you plead your case better than they could plead their case!!??

I REST my case.

@sonhouse said
RIGHT. WILLY NILLY. Spoken by a dude who just doesn't care what is going on.
What I said was the truth. For instance do you think I am lying about say tourism down 30%?
This is easily accessible information.
ALL of what I posted can be proven.

I have never written the word 'tourism'; on the Forum.
For the record, instructively speaking, no one reading our chat here would have any idea what your incomplete statement is about. Neither do I.
Geez, Sonhouse, Please debate, like we are chatting at a starbucks table.