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    20 Oct '17 22:59
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/

    NYC is a cesspool, I can't imagine how out of control London must be.
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    20 Oct '17 23:211 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/

    NYC is a cesspool, I can't imagine how out of control London must be.
    It's a mad rush to see who will be the next Chicago.
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    21 Oct '17 00:11
    I know from earlier posts that Whodey knows next to nothing about NYC. So HE comments because its his turn to talk. What about you Eladar? Do you know much, or anything, about New York?
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    21 Oct '17 00:17
    Originally posted by @stevemcc
    I know from earlier posts that Whodey knows next to nothing about NYC. So HE comments because its his turn to talk. What about you Eladar? Do you know much, or anything, about New York?
    You mean that the subways are infested with rats and extremely dirty? How about people urinating and taking dumps on the streets?
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    21 Oct '17 00:22
    Originally posted by @eladar
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/

    NYC is a cesspool, I can't imagine how out of control London must be.
    "I can't imagine how out of control London must be."
    --Eladar

    London's people have elected a Muslim mayor, Sadiq Khan. Imagine that!
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    21 Oct '17 00:24
    https://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/nyc-shootings-homicides-down-in-2016-records-show-1.12830158

    Shootings in NYC are down to 990 from 2016 (April '16 to April '17).

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/gun-and-knife-crime-soaring-in-london-official-figures-show-a3513366.html

    Shootings in London have increased from 2016 to 306.

    If they had gun laws as lax as in the U.S., it's likely that figure would be a lot higher.
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    21 Oct '17 00:30
    Originally posted by @vivify
    https://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/nyc-shootings-homicides-down-in-2016-records-show-1.12830158

    Shootings in NYC are down to 990 from 2016 (April '16 to April '17).

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/gun-and-knife-crime-soaring-in-london-official-figures-show-a3513366.html

    Shootings in London have increased from 2016 to 306.

    If they had gun laws as lax as in the U.S., it's likely that figure would be a lot higher.
    Now ckeck out the rape mumbers.
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    21 Oct '17 00:32
    When you know next to nothing its best to stay silent
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    21 Oct '17 00:37
    Originally posted by @vivify
    https://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/nyc-shootings-homicides-down-in-2016-records-show-1.12830158

    Shootings in NYC are down to 990 from 2016 (April '16 to April '17).

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/gun-and-knife-crime-soaring-in-london-official-figures-show-a3513366.html

    Shootings in London have increased from 2016 to 306.

    If they had gun laws as lax as in the U.S., it's likely that figure would be a lot higher.
    What the actual puckety puck-puck is that type of "thinking"?!?
    They have extremely stringent gun laws, yet their murder rates are increasing.
    London up by 17%, NYC down by 13%.
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    21 Oct '17 00:42
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    What the actual puckety puck-puck is that type of "thinking"?!?
    They have extremely stringent gun laws, yet their murder rates are increasing.
    London up by 17%, NYC down by 13%.
    Yet, NYC still has over 3 times the amount of shootings. Your point was....?
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    21 Oct '17 00:421 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Now ckeck out the rape mumbers.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-former-model-accuses-david-blaine-of-rape

    "Scotland Yard is investigating magician David Blaine after a model accused him of raping her in London."

    Wow.
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    21 Oct '17 00:43
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/13/reported-rapes-in-england-and-wales-double-in-five-years


    Rape rates double in two years? Oh yeah it can't be more rapes, just more get reported.

    Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.
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    21 Oct '17 01:46
    Originally posted by @stevemcc
    I know from earlier posts that Whodey knows next to nothing about NYC. So HE comments because its his turn to talk. What about you Eladar? Do you know much, or anything, about New York?
    Sure I do, they ban biggie sodas as they welcome in illegal immigrants.

    And they provide America with the best Presidents.

    Great place that New York.
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    21 Oct '17 08:18
    Scotland Yard reckons the actual number of rapes is x6 than are reported.
    And that rape, indeed, hasn’t increased, but a lot more people are reporting them.

    It’s seemingly hard to convict though.

    As for violence... have you ever seen how much booze the English consume?
    If Americans drank that much, half the country would be shot dead by now.
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    21 Oct '17 08:48
    Typical culture wars approach - failing to even consider the political issues behind changes in crime levels. Ideally, let's slip off at a tangent and say wow to some celebrity rape charge.

    It is worth asking why it matters and to whom if London has better or worse crime statistics than New York. Is this like comparing teams in a league table? And of course, while the trends may be in opposing directions, it does not follow that actual levels of crime have yet equalised.

    Does someone have the idea that London, the heart of British capitalism and the engine room of Tory Britain's neoliberal project, is a socialist dystopia to be contrasted with good old free market New York, hardly the most radically right wing of American states?

    Crime is an output measure, it is an indicator of social health, not an isolated phenomenon. Crime is driven by social inequality. So is health, so is educational attainment, so is every other useful measure of human well being.

    Crime is also a measure of the way crime is defined and measured. The City of London is the corrupt heart of the world's greatest financial services based criminal empire, incorporating a global network of tax havens on British controlled islands from Jersey to the Cayman Islands, not omitting Hong Kong for all the transition back to Chinese government. The big money in British politics is with the City of London's hedge funds, not least in funding the Brexit campaign and the UKIP Party, as well as Nigel Farage's hectic stirring of fascist movements across Europe and of course Trump's America. Still, that will not feature in any discussion of "crime."

    To the extent that crime is influenced by policing, it is relevant that the neoliberal Tories have slashed spending on the police to the extent that many forces no longer investigate minor crime -they just don't bother with it. That does not prevent them increasing spending on a prison service that is increasingly privatised, but remember the American Heritage Foundation has its hand directly in the British cabinet.

    If you want to understand crime levels, look at evidence of grotesque and escalating inequality.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/08/observer-view-on-london

    https://www.trustforlondon.org.uk/data/topics/inequality/
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