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  1. Stargazing
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    19 Jul '18 06:18
    No proud threads from the lefties yet about Corbyn and his party’s stance of the universal definition of anti-semitism, nothing about how pleased they are about Margaret Hodge being brought to task.

    Interesting .
  2. SubscriberSuzianne
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    19 Jul '18 07:31
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    No proud threads from the lefties yet about Corbyn and his party’s stance of the universal definition of anti-semitism, nothing about how pleased they are about Margaret Hodge being brought to task.

    Interesting .
    Has the NEC yet issued a revised code which incorporates the entirety of the IHRA's definition of anti-Semitism?

    "The code does endorse the IHRA's working definition of anti-Semitism and includes behaviours it lists as likely to be regarded as anti-Semitic - but critics point out that it leaves out four examples from that definition:

    Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country
    Claiming that Israel's existence as a state is a racist endeavour
    Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations
    Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44863606

    Seems to me either Labour can adopt an actual anti-Semitism code, or it can just give the issue lip-service.
  3. Stargazing
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    19 Jul '18 09:16
    Hmm, 3 thumbs down from my detractors, but no comment (unless Suzianne was one).
  4. Stargazing
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    19 Jul '18 09:202 edits
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Seems to me either Labour can adopt an actual anti-Semitism code, or it can just give the issue lip-service.
    Corbyn received a lashing from May in yesterday’s PMQs, on this topic and his stance on brexit and for making unfounded accusations against members of the house.

    To me the man comes across as unprincipled and inept, as well as anti-Semitic. The Labour Party still seem to view him as their saviour which is hilarious because actually it is the threat of him, as an alternative, which is reinforcing some of the support for May.
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    19 Jul '18 10:31
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Corbyn received a lashing from May in yesterday’s PMQs, on this topic and his stance on brexit and for making unfounded accusations against members of the house.

    To me the man comes across as unprincipled and inept, as well as anti-Semitic. The Labour Party still seem to view him as their saviour which is hilarious because actually it is the threat of him, as an alternative, which is reinforcing some of the support for May.
    It is the old love affair with socialism and being a Nazi.

    They are forever one.
  6. SubscriberProper Knob
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    19 Jul '18 10:411 edit
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Corbyn received a lashing from May in yesterday’s PMQs, on this topic and his stance on brexit and for making unfounded accusations against members of the house.

    To me the man comes across as unprincipled and inept, as well as anti-Semitic. The Labour Party still seem to view him as their saviour which is hilarious because actually it is the threat of him, as an alternative, which is reinforcing some of the support for May.
    How does one 'come across' as Anti-Semitic? Surely there are some words or actions which can be ascribed to him to justify the anti-semitism label.
  7. Stargazing
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    19 Jul '18 11:591 edit
    Originally posted by @proper-knob
    How does one 'come across' as Anti-Semitic? Surely there are some words or actions which can be ascribed to him to justify the anti-semitism label.
    Do you think his leadership on the topic antisemitism, the ongoing row within the Labour party and the Party subsequently not signing up to the proposed universal definition of antisemitism is him "coming across" as not being antisemitic. Maybe I'm misreading him, maybe I'm misreading the news?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/18/labour-antisemitism-code-jeremy-corbyn
  8. Green Boots Cave
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    19 Jul '18 18:00
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    No proud threads from the lefties yet about Corbyn and his party’s stance of the universal definition of anti-semitism, nothing about how pleased they are about Margaret Hodge being brought to task.

    Interesting .
    That could be because there are no 'lefties' here on RHP.
    It is very funny that you pick up on this story - it's not even headline news in the Torygraph.Maybe you did not notice that Mrs Mays government has only just survived this week-so far-and is trying to cling on until the summer recess.Brexit is a total and utter shambles.Two top -and one minor- ministers have resigned.Boris and co are trying to force a 'no deal' Brexit which is not what most leave voters want.This is what is happening in your parliament at the moment and you want to discuss Corbyn.And you complain because I called you and idiot.
  9. Stargazing
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    19 Jul '18 19:112 edits
    Originally posted by @biffo-konker
    It is very funny that you pick up on this story - it's not even headline news in the Torygraph.
    The story is headline news in every media avenue, including the precious guardian (see my link in my reply to properknob).

    Of course it’s probably not visible in your colon.
  10. Standard memberDeepThought
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    19 Jul '18 19:21
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Has the NEC yet issued a revised code which incorporates the entirety of the IHRA's definition of anti-Semitism?

    "The code does endorse the IHRA's working definition of anti-Semitism and includes behaviours it lists as likely to be regarded as anti-Semitic - but critics point out that it leaves out four examples from that definition:

    Accus ...[text shortened]... either Labour can adopt an actual anti-Semitism code, or it can just give the issue lip-service.
    Why is there a link between opinions concerning the State of Israel and anti-semitism?
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    19 Jul '18 19:41
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Corbyn received a lashing from May in yesterday’s PMQs, on this topic and his stance on brexit and for making unfounded accusations against members of the house.

    To me the man comes across as unprincipled and inept, as well as anti-Semitic. The Labour Party still seem to view him as their saviour which is hilarious because actually it is the threat of him, as an alternative, which is reinforcing some of the support for May.
    I think he's become (and probably always was) a liability when the Labour Party has needed strong leadership. One would certainly not vote for him, (not that one is a 'lefty'...) The fact that Labour is showing ahead of the Tories in some poles I think says more about the Tory party than any current opposition thereto. Still, with Boris and David gone perhaps the voices of reason will now prevail, and I hope that Theresa makes it through...
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    19 Jul '18 20:381 edit
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    No proud threads from the lefties yet about Corbyn and his party’s stance of the universal definition of anti-semitism, nothing about how pleased they are about Margaret Hodge being brought to task.

    Interesting .
    Youre giving off a bit of a British Sean Hannity vibe in this thread.
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    19 Jul '18 21:05
    Originally posted by @stellspalfie
    Youre giving off a bit of a British Sean Hannity vibe in this thread.
    It's from watching that Trumpean Fox News.

    What a deplorable person he is.

    Well hopefully we can all ban together with our thumbs up and down and vanquish these socialist unbelievers once and for all so that the entire globe can bask in the glow of Karl Marx.

    I know, I know, Dive will probably raise objections like how socialism fails in places like Venezuela, but this is from ignorance of democratic socialism vs. non democratic socialism. People should be able to vote for or against their little socialist dictator. It makes all the difference. 😵
  14. Zugzwang
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    19 Jul '18 21:182 edits
    Originally posted by @deepthought to Suzianne
    Why is there a link between opinions concerning the State of Israel and anti-semitism?
    If you dare to question or criticize Israel (the state, its government, its military), then you must be anti-Semitic!
    Don't you already know that? That's the standard operating position of many supporters of Israel.
    And if you dare to quote some ('self-hating' ) Jews criticizing Israel, then you still are anti-Semitic.

    Suzianne's an American evangelical Christian who has written that she regards Israel's Jews as God's Chosen People.
    Suzianne apparently believes that it's her sacred Christian duty to support unconditionally
    and zealously whatever Israel (or Jewish settlers) does against the Palestinians.
    Suzianne never has expressed any empathy for any Palestinians (including Christian women).

    Given that Suzianne often likes to accuse me of lying about her extreme pro-Israeli beliefs
    and never has been able to cite any evidence that I have lied, I often have asked her
    to cite any of her supposed previous serious criticisms of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.
    Of course, Suzianne never has been able to quote herself seriously criticizing Israel at all.
  15. SubscriberSuzianne
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    19 Jul '18 22:22
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    If you dare to question or criticize Israel (the state, its government, its military), then you must be anti-Semitic!
    Don't you already know that? That's the standard operating position of many supporters of Israel.
    And if you dare to quote some ('self-hating' ) Jews criticizing Israel, then you still are anti-Semitic.

    Suzianne's an American evangel ...[text shortened]... .
    Of course, Suzianne never has been able to quote herself seriously criticizing Israel at all.
    Oh, here we go again.
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