Tennessee style executions

@AverageJoe1 said
You pitiful liberal wimp, right down there w Shavixmir. Man y’all do indeed defend killers . brrrrr

By your logic, follow me feller, surgery and murder are the same because both involve cutting a person. The outcome alone doesn’t determine what an act is….the circumstances, intent, and legal context DO! Geez

If ‘ends a life’ is your definition of killing, then ...[text shortened]... rself and give in on this one. Don’t you get it, Defense,, war and execution, all Killing. Whew.

HIs world is full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles and all manner of sick criminals running around.

@Rajk999 said
HIs world is full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles and all manner of sick criminals running around.

I thought we had already established it is your country that is overrun with criminal gangs?

The death penalty has no place in the modern world. Catch up.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
I thought we had already established it is your country that is overrun with criminal gangs?

The death penalty has no place in the modern world. Catch up.

Yes it is, and so is yours.
The British justice system, as well as ours, are failures.
Catch up.

@Rajk999 said
HIs world is full of murderers, rapists, pedophiles and all manner of sick criminals running around.

Plus, so pitiful, this wimp liberal will not acknowledge that he just lost our side-issue, where he has stated a ove that killing and executions are the same thing!. A hyena will kill a rabbit. He is not executing the rabbit.
Why will a liberal never acknowledge getting their butt whipped on the forum?
Ghost, you been whipped. Own up. I expect you are waiting in a Hosp line behind A line of Muslims and illegal immigrants, waiting to see a doctor for the last several hours. So you’re looking for something to write about. I suggest you write something else..

@Rajk999 said
Yes it is, and so is yours.
The British justice system, as well as ours, are failures.
Catch up.

AND their healthcare system! My granny told me that they wait over a week if you can believe that before they can get a knee replacement!!!OVER a week!!!
Loserville. On another note, why don’t those countries over there ever do a damn thing. I never see anything in the paper about innovations or anything of these European nations. Nothing. No spaceships no nothing.. There can hardly be much pride in that..

@AverageJoe1 said
Plus, so pitiful, this wimp liberal will not acknowledge that he just lost our side-issue, where he has stated a ove that killing and executions are the same thing!. A hyena will kill a rabbit. He is not executing the rabbit.

Here is a good response that that kind of muddled thinking...

Claude AI
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The claim confuses two things that differ in ways that matter morally and legally.

1. Process and authority
A murderer acts on private will, with no authorization and no accountability. An execution follows an investigation, a trial, a conviction by a jury or judge, appeals, and review, all under law that the public has authorized.
The difference is between a mugger taking your wallet and a court ordering a fine. Both move money, but only one is theft. Society already accepts that the state may do things to people that would be crimes if done privately: imprisoning someone is not kidnapping, and seizing property is not robbery.

2. Victim and desert
The murderer kills an innocent person who did nothing to deserve it. The execution is applied to someone found guilty of that crime. Moral and legal systems treat acting against the innocent differently from responding to the guilty.
Same act, different moral meaning. We already accept this with self-defense: killing an attacker to save your life is not murder, even though both involve a death.

3. The logic proves too much
If "same physical act means same wrong," then imprisonment equals kidnapping, fines equal theft, and war-time or police use of force always equals murder. Few people who make this argument accept those conclusions, so the principle can't be right as stated.

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@Rajk999 said
Here is a good response that that kind of muddled thinking...

Claude AI
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The claim confuses two things that differ in ways that matter morally and legally.

1. Process and authority
A murderer acts on private will, with no authorization and no accountability. An execution follows an investigation, a trial, a conviction by a jury or judge, ...[text shortened]... pt those conclusions, so the principle can't be right as stated.

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WE know all that. He does not.
These posts go beyond tedious drivel of definitions, however.
They show the shallowness of liberal reasoning, liberal thought, failure to recognizeissues, total failure of debate protocol.
Maybe their worst fault, mainly exhibited by Susie Anne, is their constant referring to ‘you’, and making everything personal.
As well, they will say ‘YOU don’t know what you’re talking about!!” The statement makes no sense , when you are in fact, talking about something. Kindergarten schoolyard expletives! What a waste of time we are committing!!! I can’t tell if we are entertaining them, or if they are entertaining us. I think they are entertaining us, as it is like going to the zoo to observe. We go our own free will, and there you have it..

@Suzianne said
No one does that, you animal. Stop making sh-- up.

I asked…are you for 9th month abortion?

And yes it is legal in some states, so don’t lie

@Mott-The-Hoople said
I asked…are you for 9th month abortion?

And yes it is legal in some states, so don’t lie

Technically legal in 9 states, but elective or on-demand abortions at 9 months do not happen in practice.

A quick Google search says 'Very few clinics or doctors in the United States perform procedures in the third trimester (after 24 weeks), - When procedures are done very late in pregnancy, they are almost exclusively performed due to severe medical emergencies, risks to the life or health of the pregnant person, or fatal fetal abnormalities.'

@AverageJoe1 said
AND their healthcare system! My granny told me that they wait over a week if you can believe that before they can get a knee replacement!!!OVER a week!!!
Loserville. On another note, why don’t those countries over there ever do a damn thing. I never see anything in the paper about innovations or anything of these European nations. Nothing. No spaceships no nothing.. There can hardly be much pride in that..

how long do they wait if they dont have insurance or they cant afford the premiums?

@Sprogladog said
how long do they wait if they dont have insurance or they cant afford the premiums?

Longer, but I query someone who puts an $8 cup of Starbucks coffee and other wasteful budget expenditures ahead of health Insurance premiums ? And hopefully he as not a wife he cannot afford, or too many children. I guess I need more info to comment wisely. Certainly 2 jobs, which I did in my earlier days, we go quite a distance to contribute to his budget.
Yeah need more info, maybe sit down with him. To get his priorities in order.

@wildgrass said
Reminds me of a never ending version of that horror movie The Ring where someone receives a message reading "you will die in 7 days."

30 years is like 11,000 days. State taxes paid for 33,000 meals for this person who the state determined should not be alive anymore. That is nuts, but it's not an outlier exception. If you're a state that still punishes people by death, t ...[text shortened]... u in 30 years is the dumbest of the dumbest things for the worst of humanity. Either do it or don't.

TN failed to execute the previous one, too. Apparently, he was so fat, prison officers couldn't find a vein.

Guess who paid for all his food all those years?

If a state is going to do it at all, then get the job done, I say.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/botched-executions

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Technically legal in 9 states, but elective or on-demand abortions at 9 months do not happen in practice.

A quick Google search says 'Very few clinics or doctors in the United States perform procedures in the third trimester (after 24 weeks), - When procedures are done very late in pregnancy, they are almost exclusively performed due to severe medical emergencies, risks to the life or health of the pregnant person, or fatal fetal abnormalities.'

Exactly.

I keep telling him that doesn't happen, no matter what Trump said about it.

Anything to stir up the troops.

@Rajk999 said
Here is a good response that that kind of muddled thinking...

Claude AI
****************************
The claim confuses two things that differ in ways that matter morally and legally.

1. Process and authority
A murderer acts on private will, with no authorization and no accountability. An execution follows an investigation, a trial, a conviction by a jury or judge, ...[text shortened]... pt those conclusions, so the principle can't be right as stated.

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And this is why AI is a danger.

Treating State murders as 'normal', even to the point of advocating for it.

@moonbus said
TN failed to execute the previous one, too. Apparently, he was so fat, prison officers couldn't find a vein.

Guess who paid for all his food all those years?

If a state is going to do it at all, then get the job done, I say.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/botched-executions

It's Tennessee, man. Almost as bad as Florida.