Tennessee style executions

@shavixmir said
God damn.

What a cluster fvck.
Having someone executed is, of course, no longer acceptable.
But having them on death row for nearly 30 years? What the hell is wrong with the US?

And then, 5 minutes before execution, a stay… then within 5 minutes, the supreme court over-rules this… and the execution goes ahead.

And they botch it. Now the hospital is trying to sav ...[text shortened]... ot and every other madhatter regime full of psychotic fvcktards.

Christ. May you all rot in hell.

Look at common sense. We all know that you think execution is wrong. You also think there is no God. We get all of that.
What many, many learned people have decided is to execute people who execute other people. That sounds like common sense to me. It sounds like barbarism to you. Whatever.
The only thing I see in all this is that they used a poor method of execution. What happened to hanging, or electrocution, or firing squad.? Why get so fancy with a lethal drug.? So, I have a question just like you do..
My question can be answered much easier than can your question, which would involve preaching in the park about Punishment. Ho hum. Zzzzzz Dont you see… All you would be preaching is what you think. What if I get on a soapbox and preach what I think about Kamala Harris? Another zzzzzzz. Do you not follow the law in your country? That’s what we are doing here. Thank you very much.

@Suzianne said
Why do you statists always have to kill people?

Because they kill people? Marauder told us that you believe in abortion. That is killing people. Puzzle brought this up just above. No one responded to the puzzle. No one will respond to me now.
Why is abortion OK, at the end of a pregnancy term, where there is a real baby there, no matter what Sunhouse says (he thinks it is a zygote). That is ok with you, kill a baby who knows nothing about anything, but not execute a Killer, who knows a lot about everything, mainly how to kill people.
Susie Ann will now give us a straight answer on this query …..stand by, PuZzle, I’m workin’ for ya

@shavixmir said
There’s no excuse for still having a death penalty, in my opinion.

How can the state guarantee 100% guilt (hint: it can’t), how can the state murder people whilst claiming it’s illegal (hint: it can’t)?

How can the state claim moral superiority over any other state, whilst it’s killing people who may be guilty of something (hint: it can’t)?

How can the state overtu ...[text shortened]... someone who’s been wrongly executed? Hint: if I have to explain this one, we’re in serious trouble.

I'm not a huge advocate for it either, but that's mostly because of the logistics. With the appeals and the amount of lawyering and the equipment needed to make it happen in our country currently, it ends up being more expensive than life in prison. But if it could be done cleanly and quickly for those folks that just fundamentally don't belong in this world, then it would be a preferable option than keeping them locked up for 60 years.

Answer to question 1: There are no absolutes anywhere if the accused insists they are innocent. Death vs. life in prison I don't know, but both are pretty bad punishments.

Answer to question 2: Superiority has nothing to do with it. Murder is crime defined by the state, so the moral distinction between a state-run death and one carried out by a private citizen are different.

Answer to question 3: People get wronged in life all the time. Sometimes it's by the government, sometimes not. Comparing life in prison vs. death penalty, you can't give someone their years in prison back either. Just do the best you can, do it efficiently and rigorously, follow the law as written, go to bed tired.

@wildgrass said
Immediate is not the alternative approach here. Maybe 2-3 weeks? Check some appeals courts, say your goodbyes.

But convictions often take years to overturn; a mere few weeks is exceedingly rare; even several months is often too short in the U.S. legal system.

Would you prefer that the hundreds of people released from death row not have had the years needed for release?

@PuzZuLz said
...said the late term abortion advocate 🙄

No such thing unless mother's life is in jeopardy. Stop repeating maggot lies.

@vivify said
But convictions often take years to overturn; a mere few weeks is exceedingly rare; even several months is often too short in the U.S. legal system.

Would you prefer that the hundreds of people released from death row not have had the years needed for release?

Years? You mean decades. Why does it take so long?

If an average appeals process for capital punishment is more than 20 years, that indicates a problem with the process, not a problem with the punishment.

@wildgrass said
I'm not a huge advocate for it either, but that's mostly because of the logistics. With the appeals and the amount of lawyering and the equipment needed to make it happen in our country currently, it ends up being more expensive than life in prison. But if it could be done cleanly and quickly for those folks that just fundamentally don't belong in this world, then it would ...[text shortened]... t do the best you can, do it efficiently and rigorously, follow the law as written, go to bed tired.

But you can give someone their years in prison back. It’s called compensation.
A corpse, however….

As for point two: yes. The State defines what murder is. Ageed. But the definition is also open to (international) interpretation..
Take torture, as an example.
Or rape.

The point is, you can’t rape a rapist, from the state’s point of view. So, you can’t kill a killer either.
Again, just to make the point clear: as a State.

@AverageJoe1 said
Look at common sense. We all know that you think execution is wrong. You also think there is no God. We get all of that.
What many, many learned people have decided is to execute people who execute other people. That sounds like common sense to me. It sounds like barbarism to you. Whatever.
The only thing I see in all this is that they used a poor method of exe ...[text shortened]... . Do you not follow the law in your country? That’s what we are doing here. Thank you very much.

What’s your question, I think you rederred to?

@wildgrass said
Years? You mean decades. Why does it take so long?

If an average appeals process for capital punishment is more than 20 years, that indicates a problem with the process, not a problem with the punishment.

I agree there's a problem with the process. Given this problem exists, there seems to be no reason to speed up executions.

Maybe in some rare cases like the Parkland shooter, where we have cameras and other pretty much indisputable evidence. But those would be outliers.

@shavixmir said
But you can give someone their years in prison back. It’s called compensation.
A corpse, however….

As for point two: yes. The State defines what murder is. Ageed. But the definition is also open to (international) interpretation..
Take torture, as an example.
Or rape.

The point is, you can’t rape a rapist, from the state’s point of view. So, you can’t kill a killer either.
Again, just to make the point clear: as a State.

Yes of course the state gets it wrong sometimes on guilt and innocence, that's an unavoidable part of the whole decision-making process. This is why they use the "reasonable doubt" criteria. Appeals processes are also messy and still can come out wrong, for example someone can be exonerated based on new evidence or recanted testimony that the jury heard, but that doesn't mean they are suddenly innocent. And even those who have been exonerated, they still spend a decade in prison and time don't go backwards for them. Those years were permanently taken away from them.

@vivify said
I agree there's a problem with the process. Given this problem exists, there seems to be no reason to speed up executions.

Maybe in some rare cases like the Parkland shooter, where we have cameras and other pretty much indisputable evidence. But those would be outliers.

The reason for speeding up timeline for executions is to fix the process. Like, if you're on a 100 mile long road and the speed limit is 1 mph it'll take forever and you might as well walk there, but the government can fix this. Raise the speed limit to 45 mph then you drive your car and get to the same place faster.

@wildgrass said
The reason for speeding up timeline for executions is to fix the process. Like, if you're on a 100 mile long road and the speed limit is 1 mph it'll take forever and you might as well walk there, but the government can fix this. Raise the speed limit to 45 mph then you drive your car and get to the same place faster.

That wouldn't reduce death row time, that would lead to more innocent people dying before finding evidence that exonerates them.

It's not just the legal process that is slow; investigations take time. Unless you're rich and can afford a team of lawyers and Private Investigators to work round-the-clock on your behalf, it will take time.

Murder investigations can take years and not because law enforcement is just lollygagging. There are multiple investigations going on everywhere at the same time with new ones always popping up.

I think TV crime shows make people think a hot-shot sleuth who loves justice can wrap up cases after one car chase.

@shavixmir said
But you can give someone their years in prison back. It’s called compensation.
A corpse, however….

As for point two: yes. The State defines what murder is. Ageed. But the definition is also open to (international) interpretation..
Take torture, as an example.
Or rape.

The point is, you can’t rape a rapist, from the state’s point of view. So, you can’t kill a killer either.
Again, just to make the point clear: as a State.

Punishment isn’t supposed to imitate the crime. Silly goose you are.

That’s a clever-sounding analogy, but it confuses punishment with retaliation. We don’t rape rapists because rape isn’t a lawful punishment for rape. We don’t torture torturers for the same reason. The question with execution is different: whether the state, after dueprocess, may impose death as the punishment for for a crime in which the offenderdeliberately took an innnocent person’s life. By your logic, 🥴 we couldn’t imprison a kidnapper either, because “you can’t kidnap a kidnapper.”

Bring it up a few notches. You people would do much better if you weren’t so emotional and inserting your feelings into every post you ever make. Can you not write about the facts?

@shavixmir said
There’s no excuse for still having a death penalty, in my opinion.

How can the state guarantee 100% guilt (hint: it can’t), how can the state murder people whilst claiming it’s illegal (hint: it can’t)?

How can the state claim moral superiority over any other state, whilst it’s killing people who may be guilty of something (hint: it can’t)?

How can the state overtu ...[text shortened]... someone who’s been wrongly executed? Hint: if I have to explain this one, we’re in serious trouble.

There is no sense in killing children because they are not healthy…sadistic pervert

@Mott-The-Hoople said
There is no sense in killing children because they are not healthy…sadistic pervert

Yeah… there’s no excuse killing children because they are not healthy…

Yet you bomb and support the bombing of civilians everywhere on the fvcking planet!

Inuding children!