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  1. Behind the scenes
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    Neither Donald Trump nor his pitiful little band of misfit followers know what is in the recently released report by Robert Mueller, but they're dancing around like a bunch of drunken college kids on spring break. In addition, they've all conveniently ignored the multitude of legal woes Trump And his family face outside of the Mueller probe. Here is just a small sample:

    The U.S. Attorney’s office in the Southern District of New York is looking into potential campaign finance violations related to hush money payments arranged by former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen. It is also scrutinizing the Presidential Inaugural Committee, looking for any illegal foreign donations or favors given in exchange for contributions.

    WHAT’S THIS LATEST PROBE OF THE INAUGURAL COMMITTEE ABOUT?

    Foreign money, political favors and how the Presidential Inaugural Committee spent the nearly $107 million it raised.

    According to a subpoena served on the committee Monday, prosecutors want all of the committee’s donation records including any showing donors received “benefits” after making contributions. The subpoena also shows that prosecutors are looking at whether the committee violated federal law by accepting foreign contributions or in how it paid vendors.

    Inaugural committees are barred from accepting foreign donations. They also must report their donors, meaning that if the committee had contributors pay vendors directly without passing the money through the committee, it could violate public disclosure laws.

    The committee has not been formally accused of wrongdoing and the subpoena does not name the head of the inaugural committee, Tom Barrack, or any other members of the inaugural committee. Through a spokeswoman, the committee said it plans to cooperate.

    HAVE ANY CRIMES RELATED TO THE INAUGURATION SURFACED SO FAR?

    YES!

    In a criminal case referred by Mueller’s office, Washington lobbyist W. Samuel Patten admitted that he participated in a scheme to circumvent the ban on foreign contributions to the inaugural committee.

    As part of a plea deal, Patten said he lined up an unidentified American to serve as a straw donor to conceal that $50,000 paid to the committee for event tickets came from a wealthy Ukrainian businessman.

    WHAT’S THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION ABOUT?

    It all goes back to a porn star, a former Playboy playmate and efforts to keep allegations of Trump extramarital affairs quiet.

    Prosecutors in New York have been looking into reimbursements the Trump Organization made to Cohen for $130,000 in hush money he paid to buy the silence of porn actress Stormy Daniels during the election. They have also been scrutinizing an arrangement Cohen made on Trump’s behalf with the publisher of the National Enquirer. As part of that deal, the publication helped Trump’s presidential bid by paying $150,000 to former Playboy playmate Karen McDougal to buy and bury her story.

    Prosecutors have been scrutinizing whether the payments amounted to illegal contributions to the campaign, which didn’t report them on public filings.

    Trump initially denied knowing about the payments. But Cohen — in pleading guilty to campaign finance violations — said Trump personally directed him to make them. The president has since acknowledged the payments but said any legal liability lies with Cohen, not him.

    In an agreement announced late year, prosecutors chose not to prosecute the publisher, American Media Inc., in exchange for continued cooperation. The Trump Organization has denied any wrongdoing.

    WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR TRUMP?

    It’s going to be a rough road for a while.

    It’s not clear yet whether Trump has any personal legal exposure in the probe of the inaugural committee. But prosecutors are looking at any favors given in exchange for donations, which could lead to scrutiny of his White House or others around him.

    The more direct threat to Trump comes from Cohen, his former lawyer who implicated Trump in campaign finance violations. And there’s also the remaining unknown of what Mueller will say in his report.

    Still, it’s unlikely Trump will face any charges while in office because the Justice Department has maintained that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

    For his part, the president has denied that he broke any laws and he casts Cohen as a liar.

    On Tuesday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders chalked up the president’s legal problems to anti-Trump “hysteria,” saying on CNN that it’s coming from people who look for “anything to try to create and tie problems to this president.”

    WHAT’S LEFT IN MUELLER’S PROBE?

    We don’t know for sure, but Mueller is embroiled in two court fights that point to more criminal charges.

    Prosecutors still want to talk to Andrew Miller, an aide to longtime Trump friend Roger Stone whom investigators have wanted to question about hacked material released by WikiLeaks and others during the 2016 presidential campaign. Miller, who has denied knowing anything about the topics, is fighting a grand jury subpoena and awaiting an appellate court’s ruling.

    Separately, an unidentified company owned by an unidentified foreign country is fighting a Mueller grand jury subpoena. The case, which has gone up to the Supreme Court, has been shrouded in mystery but it’s another indication Mueller isn’t quite done with his grand jury.


    The last time we had a President in legal trouble approaching this, he was removed from office and were it not for a pardon, would have been hauled off to prison.


    Only the illiterate, and extremely naive would "celebrate" a situation as bad as this.




    https://www.apnews.com/d98914a14f12444482566596db0c0181

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46407999

    http://time.com/5540881/michael-cohen-donald-trump-testimony/
  2. SubscriberSuzianne
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    24 Mar '19 23:39
    @mchill said
    Neither Donald Trump nor his pitiful little band of misfit followers know what is in the recently released report by Robert Mueller, but they're dancing around like a bunch of drunken college kids on spring break. In addition, they've all conveniently ignored the multitude of legal woes Trump And his family face outside of the Mueller probe. Here is just a small sample:

    The ...[text shortened]... c.com/news/world-us-canada-46407999

    http://time.com/5540881/michael-cohen-donald-trump-testimony/
    Why are they celebrating?

    Because they have a Trump minion in the Attorney General. Since this falls on the Attorney General to divulge the report or not, Trump made sure he got rid of Sessions, who was showing signs of having his own brain, and replaced him with Barr, who is a toady par excellence. He lives only to "exonerate" Trump. And that is why this report will NEVER see the light of day, at least until Trump is a forgotten memory. That is WHY Barr is Attorney General.

    Again, thank GOD for Nancy Pelosi. She's the only one who seems to have Barrr's number in this.

    “Attorney General Barr’s letter raises as many questions as it answers. The fact that Special Counsel Mueller’s report does not exonerate the president on a charge as serious as obstruction of justice demonstrates how urgent it is that the full report and underlying documentation be made public without any further delay. Given Mr. Barr’s public record of bias against the Special Counsel’s inquiry, he is not a neutral observer and is not in a position to make objective determinations about the report,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., Senate Democratic Leader, in a joint statement.
  3. Subscriberdivegeester
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    24 Mar '19 23:46
    It’s a pity the President can’t be impeached for being a douchebag.
  4. SubscriberSuzianne
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    25 Mar '19 00:41
    "Why Donald Trump shouldn't celebrate the Robert Mueller report"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/03/23/donald-trump-robert-mueller-report-russian-election-interference-column/3253123002/
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    25 Mar '19 10:40
    @mchill said
    Neither Donald Trump nor his pitiful little band of misfit followers know what is in the recently released report by Robert Mueller, but they're dancing around like a bunch of drunken college kids on spring break. In addition, they've all conveniently ignored the multitude of legal woes Trump And his family face outside of the Mueller probe. Here is just a small sample:

    The ...[text shortened]... c.com/news/world-us-canada-46407999

    http://time.com/5540881/michael-cohen-donald-trump-testimony/
    Any day now...................................................................now................................................now.....................................now..........................now..............................now......................................now..............................now.........................now.............................now?
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    25 Mar '19 11:57
    @whodey said
    Any day now...................................................................now................................................now.....................................now..........................now..............................now......................................now..............................now.........................now.............................now?
    Back to Stormy.
    Back to the pee party.
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    25 Mar '19 13:47
    @Suzianne I believe the Democrats need to back off and focus on legislation and 2020 and let the courts in New York and DC continue their investigations. The best way to reclaim the executive office and the Senate is by working hard to be very inclusive and focus on legislation that deals with issues shared by large swaths of citizens regardless of race or ethnicity such as climate change, health care, education, childcare, maternity leave and minimum wage increases. If the Democrats continue to focus on Trump, it will just continue to be a distraction from their obligation to work on legislation. It will kill their chances for 2020. As much as I detest Trump, there is no arguing that the economy remains strong, Wall Street is still running with the bull, unemployment is down and wages are up a bit. Trump will not be easy to beat. A painful recession might help but I do not care to wish for something that will do terrible harm to masses of hard working people. As for the roster of Democrat presidential candidates, I like O'Rourke the best. He's from the south, Texas, and nearly beat Ted Cruise. He seems charismatic and articulate. Relatively speaking, his baggage seems to fit in the overhead. It's not a steamer trunk held together with heavy chains. I just want the Dems to run someone who can beat Trump.
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    25 Mar '19 22:53
    @mghrn55 said
    Back to Stormy.
    Back to the pee party.
    stormy will have to get another lawyer, avaneti went down today
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    25 Mar '19 23:02
    @mott-the-hoople said
    stormy will have to get another lawyer, avaneti went down today
    And he's going down HARD. No pun intended.
  10. Zugzwang
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    25 Mar '19 23:10
    @phranny said
    @Suzianne I believe the Democrats need to back off and focus on legislation and 2020 and let the courts in New York and DC continue their investigations. The best way to reclaim the executive office and the Senate is by working hard to be very inclusive and focus on legislation that deals with issues shared by large swaths of citizens regardless of race or ethnicity such as c ...[text shortened]... eamer trunk held together with heavy chains. I just want the Dems to run someone who can beat Trump.
    "I just want the Dems to run someone who can beat Trump."
    --Phranny

    Not every critic of Donald Trump wants him to lose an election at all costs.
    No1Marauder, for instance, voted for Jill Stein rather than Hillary Clinton.
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