@Metal-Brain
Ah, I should 'learn' from an ultrarightwingnut conspiracy theory nutter.
Tell me, where did you get your Phd in virology? Trump University?
@metal-brain saidLearn how to read.
No such thing is in Yeadon's letter. Stop making crap up.
It's in the article YOU cited which INCLUDES Yeadon's letter.
Got it now?
That article is deranged BTW.
@no1marauder
That is what MB LOVES. The more deranged the better. as long as it SEEMS to clears his god king from culpability.
@no1marauder saidYou said it was in Yeadon's letter. It isn't.
Learn how to read.
It's in the article YOU cited which INCLUDES Yeadon's letter.
Got it now?
That article is deranged BTW.
Yeadon didn't write article, only the letter. Stop digressing. You always do that when you know you are wrong. It is more transparent than you think.
@metal-brain saidNo, I didn't. Stop lying.
You said it was in Yeadon's letter. It isn't.
Yeadon didn't write article, only the letter. Stop digressing. You always do that when you know you are wrong. It is more transparent than you think.
You cited the article. If you knew it was a lot of batshit crazy talk, maybe you should have used a different cite.
@metal-brain saidYeadon's letter mainly insisted that any vaccine approval be on an "experimental basis". And that is exactly the type of approval that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have received in the US:
You said it was in Yeadon's letter. It isn't.
Yeadon didn't write article, only the letter. Stop digressing. You always do that when you know you are wrong. It is more transparent than you think.
"1. SARS-CoV-2 can cause a serious or life-threatening disease or condition, including
severe respiratory illness, to humans infected by this virus;
2. Based on the totality of scientific evidence available to FDA, it is reasonable to believe
that Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine may be effective in preventing COVID-19,
and that, when used under the conditions described in this authorization, the known and
potential benefits of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine when used to prevent
COVID-19 outweigh its known and potential risks; and
3. There is no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the emergency use of
Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine to prevent COVID-19."
Subject to all kinds of stringent reporting requirements:
"F. Pfizer Inc. will report to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS):
• Vaccine administration errors whether or not associated with an adverse event;
• Serious adverse events (irrespective of attribution to vaccination);
• Cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in children and adults; and
• Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death, that are reported to
Pfizer Inc.
These reports should be submitted to VAERS as soon as possible but no later than
15 calendar days from initial receipt of the information by Pfizer Inc.
G. Pfizer Inc. must submit to Investigational New Drug application (IND) number 19736
periodic safety reports at monthly intervals, within 15 days after the last day of a month,
beginning after the first full calendar month after authorization. Each periodic safety
report is required to contain descriptive information which includes:
• A narrative summary and analysis of adverse events submitted during the reporting
interval, including interval and cumulative counts by age groups, special
populations (e.g., pregnant women), and adverse events of special interest.
• Newly identified safety concerns in the interval; and
• Actions taken since the last report because of adverse experiences (for example,
changes made to Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination
Providers) Fact Sheet, changes made to studies or studies initiated."
https://www.fda.gov/media/144412/download
Yes, it is more risky to put out a vaccine in such a short time frame than would normally be acceptable, but this is a public health emergency where close to 2 million worldwide have already died from the disease.
The article you cited including Yeadon's letter is also more than a month old and detailed reviews of the vaccine's testing programs have been made by relevant health agencies making use of data Yeadon had no knowledge of.
@no1marauder
"Yes, it is more risky to put out a vaccine in such a short time frame than would normally be acceptable, but this is a public health emergency where close to 2 million worldwide have already died from the disease."
The Spanish flu was estimated to have killed 3% - 5% of the global population.
0.02% of the world population has succumb to COVID. As a lowball estimate 30% ( 85 years and older ) of which had very little time left on earth regardless...whatever should we do.
@joe-shmo saidThe unrepentant ghoul's opinion is duly noted.
@no1marauder
"Yes, it is more risky to put out a vaccine in such a short time frame than would normally be acceptable, but this is a public health emergency where close to 2 million worldwide have already died from the disease."
The Spanish flu was estimated to have killed 3% - 5% of the global population.
0.02% of the world population has succumb to COVID. As a l ...[text shortened]... 85 years and older ) of which had very little time left on earth regardless...whatever should we do.
In an advanced country like the US, even someone as old as 80 can be expected to live another 8 to 10 years according to mortality tables. Your unconcern for their lives is noted.
How many dead would you require before such a pandemic be considered an "emergency"? A million in the US? 5 million? 10 million?
@no1marauder said
The unrepentant ghoul's opinion is duly noted.
In an advanced country like the US, even someone as old as 80 can be expected to live another 8 to 10 years according to mortality tables. Your unconcern for their lives is noted.
How many dead would you require before such a pandemic be considered an "emergency"? A million in the US? 5 million? 10 million?
In an advanced country like the US, even someone as old as 80 can be expected to live another 8 to 10 years according to mortality table
As I said...the the 85+ year olds ( 32.7% of the US deaths ) are estimated to have 3 to 5 years left.
How many dead would you require before such a pandemic be considered an "emergency"? A million in the US? 5 million? 10 million?
Personally, a pandemic rivaling the death toll of the Spanish Flu. So maybe i'd start to be concerned around 10 million or so...
@joe-shmo
Sounds like you are conflating two separate statistics.
That o.o3 % for covid you want us to think that is the morbidity rate.
You are going, well there are 7 billion people on Earth and so 75 millionwith covid? and 1.6 million dead world wide.
That is 2.2% comparing those with covid and those who DIED from covid.
You spread misinformation when you try to pass off covid deaths as if you would divide1.6 E6 /7E9 or so which would be 0.022% or so. What are you trying to pull here?
In the states, 17 million with covid, now 315,000 reported deaths, that is 1.8% morbidity rate.
If you used your bogus numbers on US population, 340,000,000 Vs those who died from covid, 315,000 that would add up to about 1/10th of a percent.
BOGUS NUMBERS.
My guess for the disparity in world wide deaths V US deaths is a lot of deaths around the world are in countries that have zero or very low numbers of doctors per some population # and therefore no help and the ones who DIDN'T die in the US were due to having ventilators and such. Some of those poor countries may have zero or one ventilator for a population of a million or some such so we would naturally have a somewhat lower death rate.
@Metal-Brain
Sure, post an OPINION piece. It's OBVIOUS if the anti Vaxxers refuse to get the vaccine then the herd immunity might not happen. It is said we need to have 3/4 of the population vaccinated to get herd immunity. So if 30% of the population, those STUPID folks don't get vaccinated, then there would be no HI.
@sonhouse saidYour conflating two different things. I didn't say 0.02% was the CFR. I said that is the percentage of the word population that we have lost due to COVID...0.02% The Spanish Flu was about 100 times more lethal to the 1918 population than COVID is to us. They lost 3% to 5% of the world population. I'm just trying to give the bleeding hearts here some realistic perspective. I can see its falling on def ears.
@joe-shmo
Sounds like you are conflating two separate statistics.
That o.o3 % for covid you want us to think that is the morbidity rate.
You are going, well there are 7 billion people on Earth and so 75 millionwith covid? and 1.6 million dead world wide.
That is 2.2% comparing those with covid and those who DIED from covid.
You spread misinformation when you try to pa ...[text shortened]... r for a population of a million or some such so we would naturally have a somewhat lower death rate.