@sonhouse saidNope.
@Metal-Brain
Sure, post an OPINION piece. It's OBVIOUS if the anti Vaxxers refuse to get the vaccine then the herd immunity might not happen. It is said we need to have 3/4 of the population vaccinated to get herd immunity. So if 30% of the population, those STUPID folks don't get vaccinated, then there would be no HI.
Pfizer CEO admits he is 'not certain' their COVID-19 shot will prevent vaccinated people from spreading the virus. Fauci said the same thing. It isn't an opinion.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9018547/Pfizer-CEO-not-certain-covid-shot-prevents-transmission.html
Here is an excerpt from the link below:
But alarmingly the guide has only one thing to say about the vaccine’s impact on fertility: they don’t know if it does or doesn’t.
“It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility,” it states.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-not-safe-for-pregnant-or-breastfeeding-mums-potential-danger-for-fertility
@joe-shmo saidYes, what a bunch of sissified "bleeding hearts" to start worrying prior to a contagious disease killing ten million Americans.
Your conflating two different things. I didn't say 0.02% was the CFR. I said that is the percentage of the word population that we have lost due to COVID...0.02% The Spanish Flu was about 100 times more lethal to the 1918 population than COVID is to us. They lost 3% to 5% of the world population. I'm just trying to give the bleeding hearts here some realistic perspective. I can see its falling on def ears.
You're not a ghoul; you're a sociopath.
There's no reason for a society with medicine 100 years more advanced to accept anywhere near the death toll mankind suffered under the Spanish flu.
EDIT: I suppose if you had been alive in 1918 you would have ridiculed any attempts to stem that death toll as well saying "Well the Black Death killed 1/3 of the population of Europe; this is noooooooooooooooooooo big deal!"
@metal-brain saidFrom that article:
Nope.
Pfizer CEO admits he is 'not certain' their COVID-19 shot will prevent vaccinated people from spreading the virus. Fauci said the same thing. It isn't an opinion.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9018547/Pfizer-CEO-not-certain-covid-shot-prevents-transmission.html
"In earlier tests in monkeys, animals that got Pfizer's shot had no traces of the virus in their respiratory tracts, and earlier tests in people showed they produced plenty of antibodies after vaccination.
Combined with the final clinical trial data, that suggests that the vaccine is triggering an immune response, and that immune response is strong enough to keep the virus from copying itself and spreading in the body.
In turn, that means the odds are low that someone's viral load - the concentration of virus in their cells - is high enough to spread the infection.
But ultimately, the trials Pfizer has completed just don't tell us that for sure, and weren't designed to."
No, that's not a certainty and Fauci and the CEO are being extra cautious, but the available evidence strongly suggests there will be little chance a vaccinated person will spread the disease.
@no1marauder saidWhat's the matter comrade? Can't stomach what is necessary action to save the planet?
Yes, what a bunch of sissified "bleeding hearts" to start worrying prior to a contagious disease killing ten million Americans.
You're not a ghoul; you're a sociopath.
There's no reason for a society with medicine 100 years more advanced to accept anywhere near the death toll mankind suffered under the Spanish flu.
EDIT: I suppose if you had been alive in 1918 yo ...[text shortened]... ell the Black Death killed 1/3 of the population of Europe; this is noooooooooooooooooooo big deal!"
Also, you should be jumping for joy... you are aware that conservatism and age are positively correlated?
@Cheesemaster
Well kid, I won't wait if they offer it to me. I'll take the risk of side effects and doctors have gotten the shot live on TV and reported only some muscle aches and some slight fever but that is a sign the vaccine is starting to work.
My wife is even closer to top tier, well third tier from what I read, over 75 with medical complications like diabetes and such.
She and I both would not hesitate to get the shot.
I think you overblow the seriousness of side effects of C19 vax.
Anyway, with a death rate of some 2% in the US, the vaccine is THOUSANDS of times safer than that and if say 10 people die in a million shots while the rest have immunity, it will still be worth the tradeoff.
Right now it is something like one death per 50 ish folks with the disease.
@Metal-Brain
The whole idea of a vaccine is to reduce the viral count in the lungs for instance.
If you have say 1/10th of 1/1,000,000th of the viral load after the vaccine produces antibodies, you would have only a few of the C19 virus to infect anyone.
You are still touting conspiracy theories.
@Metal-Brain
Yeah right. In early September there were about 150,000 cases of C19, more than enough to case a REAL POTUS to start being a real leader and start a presidential push with executive orders to have companies make PPE and the like.
He NEVER did that and besides, Fauci wanted to keep his job in the WH so would say anything to stay there.
Only lately when Biden offered to put Fauci on the Biden team did he start saying it was serious and WEAR MASKS.
Trump NEVER said that and made it into a political statement to NOT wear one.
THAT is unconscionable AND has led to THOUSANDS more preventable deaths which are ALL on the small hands of the corrupter in chief TRUMP.
@joe-shmo saidPolitical realignment through genocide is more of a right wing idea, Parteigenosse.
What's the matter comrade? Can't stomach what is necessary action to save the planet?
Also, you should be jumping for joy... you are aware that conservatism and age are positively correlated?
Of course, you seen to be going full Sonderbehandlung as far as those useless old folks.
@no1marauder saidWhy is it so "amoral" in your estimation to see that the very elderly are pretty damned if they do damned if they don't? Is it logical to lockdown the US and destroy the lively hood of a 360 million Americans with a full life to live to save 5 million with less than 5 years to live? It is you who is the sociopath.
Political realignment through genocide is more of a right wing idea, Parteigenosse.
Of course, you seen to be going full Sonderbehandlung as far as those useless old folks.
@no1marauder saidThat's odd, because it's the dems/left that want to make the elderly second in line because they are more white and give the brown/black neighborhoods first choice in order to "even up the score".
Political realignment through genocide is more of a right wing idea, Parteigenosse.
Of course, you seen to be going full Sonderbehandlung as far as those useless old folks.
@sonhouse saidIn the USA only 95 people under age 14 have died of Covid to date. Far less than the flu.
@joe-shmo
All well and good but it is not just old farts like me dying. Even CHILDREN are dying from C19.
Your tears are staining your shirt from your concern over the lives of people who contract the disease.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
@no1marauder said"No, that's not a certainty and Fauci and the CEO are being extra cautious, but the available evidence strongly suggests there will be little chance a vaccinated person will spread the disease."
From that article:
"In earlier tests in monkeys, animals that got Pfizer's shot had no traces of the virus in their respiratory tracts, and earlier tests in people showed they produced plenty of antibodies after vaccination.
Combined with the final clinical trial data, that suggests that the vaccine is triggering an immune response, and that immune response is stron ...[text shortened]... evidence strongly suggests there will be little chance a vaccinated person will spread the disease.
There is no evidence to suggest a vaccinated person will not spread the disease. Tell monkeys there is evidence, not people. The CEO is trying to sell vaccines and so is Fauci. They both profit from them.
@dood111 said“It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility,” it states.
That's odd, because it's the dems/left that want to make the elderly second in line because they are more white and give the brown/black neighborhoods first choice in order to "even up the score".
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-not-safe-for-pregnant-or-breastfeeding-mums-potential-danger-for-fertility
It is a eugenics operation. When the African Americans get a new version of "Project Coast" another vaccine will be made available for white people just in time.