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Originally posted by PBE6well, now you're asking a different question.
So basically the first song to ever surpass the age of any other song while being continuously listened to (by at least one person) is the best piece of music ever written? I think that means "Happy Birthday" is on its way to the hall of fame. 😕
Your first question was basically what makes a song good. Now you're asking what makes the best song of all time.
I don't know the answer to that one. 42?
Originally posted by uzlessOK. Add "Auld Lang Syne" to the list too. Now we have two pieces of good music. Where does that leave the rest? I know you've had the experience of saying "this is good music" to a new piece you've never heard before. If you really thought that it needed to age and be accepted first, why did you think it was good?
well, now you're asking a different question.
Your first question was basically what makes a song good. Now you're asking what makes the best song of all time.
I don't know the answer to that one. 42?
Originally posted by darvlayIs it?
Copyright law is ridiculous and has no place within this discussion.
If I write a piece that has 4'34" of silence, will that too be unique, or will I be accused of plagiarism?
Surely the fact remains that music cannot be called same without notes to identify it from another?
Originally posted by PBE6"Good" is subjective. How can something be "good" is nobody gives it that label? I don't think a piece of music is ever intrinsically appealing or not appealing without the listener's subjective input.
Everyone has 2 cents to add to a music discussion, and with the surprising volume of liquor consumption with this customer base, that means them's fightin' words.
I have a question that we can fight about first: if no one likes a piece of music, not even the composer, can that music be "good"?
Put up yer dukes!! 😵
Something may be technically "good" in a sense that it follows all widely accepted musical principles, but ultimately the listener is the one who decides.
That's one of the things that makes art, music...etc. so appealing.
Originally posted by PBE6we performed it in art school once, and pretty much everybody realized it was about the other sounds. the slight majority though it was more music than not. almost nobody denied categorically that it was music, although there were some who did.
Did it become music then? I wonder what the people who actually saw this piece (not) performed thought?
Originally posted by uzlessActually, I believe this does answer the original question in a round-a-bout way. I assume that these people listening to the song are doing so because they like it (and aren't being forced to listen Clockwork Orange style), so the answer is "no, if no one likes the song (and therefore everyone stops listening to it), then it can't be good." Right?
There is only one standard by which music can be judged in a way that can be said to truly represent the inherent "goodness" of that piece of music.
Does the piece of music stand the test of time?
That's it. If humans are still listening to a piece of music X amount of years from now, it is good. If not, chances are it is bad, or at least as ordinary ...[text shortened]... everything else during that time period in that it doesn't stand out above everything else.
Originally posted by PBE6Hehe, while it is true that I DO believe I am one of the few, the proud, the 50, that can actually tell good music from bad, my opinion is a subjective one.
OK. Add "Auld Lang Syne" to the list too. Now we have two pieces of good music. Where does that leave the rest? I know you've had the experience of saying "this is good music" to a new piece you've never heard before. If you really thought that it needed to age and be accepted first, why did you think it was good?
The only way to truly judge a piece of music objectively, with a large degree of "goodness" certainty cannot be based on one person's opinion, but rather the collective opinions of humanity. And this can only occur over time.
I do believe that what I consider GOOD will also be considered good many years in the future but, in a rare moment of lucidity, my single opinion matters little.
Originally posted by wormwoodSurely music can be defined by some kind of framework or else sound and music and simply interchangeable terms. Music has elements which go beyond that of simple sounds or silence.
we performed it in art school once, and pretty much everybody realized it was about the other sounds. the slight majority though it was more music than not. almost nobody denied categorically that it was music, although there were some who did.
Originally posted by wormwoodInteresting! Did anyone screw up and play a note by mistake? Hehe...
we performed it in art school once, and pretty much everybody realized it was about the other sounds. the slight majority though it was more music than not. almost nobody denied categorically that it was music, although there were some who did.
Once I get home and can "noodle" around this interweb thingy, I'll check out the YouTube link and see for myself. But it's neat to know what people who actually witnessed a live performance think.
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Originally posted by PBE6But just because none of the people currently in existence like something, doesn't mean it won't ever be considered "good". What about artists whose art isn't appreciated until long after their death?
Actually, I believe this does answer the original question in a round-a-bout way. I assume that these people listening to the song are doing so because they like it (and aren't being forced to listen Clockwork Orange style), so the answer is "no, if no one likes the song (and therefore everyone stops listening to it), then it can't be good." Right?
Originally posted by uzlessI suspect those last eleven words may haunt you Uz 😉
Hehe, while it is true that I DO believe I am one of the few, the proud, the 50, that can actually tell good music from bad, my opinion is a subjective one.
The only way to truly judge a piece of music objectively, with a large degree of "goodness" certainty cannot be based on one person's opinion, but rather the collective opinions of humanity. And this ...[text shortened]... any years in the future but, in a rare moment of lucidity, my single opinion matters little.