Originally posted by darvlayAnother good point! Now the interesting question becomes, how much more can it matter? Thought experiment no. 3: suppose one of the most learned, experienced and celebrated music critics ever to review a song began to champion a small collection of songs/artists that no one enjoyed (and I mean no one) other than himself and his close circle of friends, and rejected all other music as trite and worthless? How much was this critic's opinion worth? How much is it worth now?
Have you ever heard the saying "Eat sh-t: One million files can't be wrong"?
Without sounding like a fascist, I would have to assert that one man's opinion may in fact be worth more than someone else's when it comes to quantifying how "good" something is.
Originally posted by PBE6Christ, I hate these fruitless exercises.
Another good point! Now the interesting question becomes, how much more can it matter? Thought experiment no. 3: suppose one of the most learned, experienced and celebrated music critics ever to review a song began to champion a small collection of songs/artists that no one enjoyed (and I mean no one) other than himself and his close circle of friends, and re ...[text shortened]... c as trite and worthless? How much was this critic's opinion worth? How much is it worth now?
But here we go:
It's worth more to me than the opinion of, say, a 14 year old Insane Clown Posse fan but less to me than the opinion of Chuck Klosterman.
Happy?
Originally posted by wormwoodcome on dude, you've got some grey matter up there.
how is it different except that there will be even more subjective opinions?
Over time, the cream rises to the top. That's why "Classical Music" performed today are almost all amazing songs. Most of the crap that was created back then has been weeded out.
The same will happen to songs of today after a few hundred years. The stuff that is truly good will be remembered and the stuff that is bad or merely average and derivative will be forgotten. There may be the odd song here and there that slips into obscurity when it shouldn't but these historically have been due to politcal interference, religious oppression or societal fragmentation for extended time periods.
Originally posted by PBE6He'd be quickly out of a job and go to that limbo where forgotten critics (i.e. all critics) end.
Another good point! Now the interesting question becomes, how much more can it matter? Thought experiment no. 3: suppose one of the most learned, experienced and celebrated music critics ever to review a song began to champion a small collection of songs/artists that no one enjoyed (and I mean no one) other than himself and his close circle of friends, and re ...[text shortened]... c as trite and worthless? How much was this critic's opinion worth? How much is it worth now?
Originally posted by uzlessI believe the real difference is that if you examine the songs considered "good" over a long period of time, you will weed out songs that got catapulted to high consciousness because of trendiness. You should also be able to eliminate the more subtle effect of changes in taste over the years. However, you may have to deal with the possibility that no piece of music survives in rotation long enough to be considered good.
You are talking about a single point in time, I am talking about over time.
There is a gigantic difference.
Originally posted by PBE6agreed
I believe the real difference is that if you examine the songs considered "good" over a long period of time, you will weed out songs that got catapulted to high consciousness because of trendiness. You should also be able to eliminate the more subtle effect of changes in taste over the years. However, you may have to deal with the possibility that no piece of music survives in rotation long enough to be considered good.
Originally posted by uzlessThis is paradoxical considering that we've been working with the assumption that consensus over long periods of time dictates objective goodness. Classical music enjoys a market share of about 5%. If no one's listening, what makes all the songs so amazing?
come on dude, you've got some grey matter up there.
Over time, the cream rises to the top. That's why "Classical Music" performed today are almost all amazing songs. Most of the crap that was created back then has been weeded out.
The same will happen to songs of today after a few hundred years. The stuff that is truly good will be remembered and the ...[text shortened]... cal interference, religious oppression or societal fragmentation for extended time periods.