Or piss off.
It's that simple.
Here's the wording behind a Section 3(b) ban:
The Red Hot Pawn game moderation team have found overwhelming evidence, and concluded beyond reasonable doubt that the following players have violated the Terms of Service, Section 3(b), and in doing so, have had their accounts terminated.
Section 3(b) is defined as: You will not use chess engines, chess software, chess computers or consult any third party to assist you in any game. Chess books and databases can be consulted during play.
People bitched and whined and moaned until the mods were set in place. Then they bitched and whined and moaned because the mods were too private until the mods started naming the banned players. Now people are bitching and whining and moaning because the mods are doing their job! This is preposterous!
There's NO way they would have banned Ironman and Exy without studying their games thoroughly. Both those bannings would have brought a load of negative publicity for them. Think about it for one minute. Exy is a great guy, and had many friends here. Ironman is also supposedly a great guy. Do you think, logically, that the mods had ANY joy from banning these players? Those two bannings must have been the single two most difficult decisions that anybody has yet had to take on this website. They have the evidence, it's overwhelming, they are not answerable to any of you, the subject is not up for debate. Like it or leave it.
I'm very happy here, and I'll continue to support RHP. The fact that Exy is a cheat is very disheartening, but I'm glad that nobody is above the law here, not even him. I hope that the Twin Peaks Chess clan will recover from this, under new leadership, I really enjoyed our challenges.
Interesting.
As Exy (allegedly) admitted to using chess software as an alternative to the analyse board feature does that consitute cheating?
Section 3(b) is defined as: You will not use chess engines, chess software, chess computers or consult any third party to assist you in any game. Chess books and databases can be consulted during play.
By using the chess software to assist the analysis of the position (by being able to move forwards and backwards through the anlysis) did Exy gain an unfair advantage?
Originally posted by rhbThis is a strange one, could exy really have been banned for using chess software in this manner?
By using the chess software to assist the analysis of the position (by being able to move forwards and backwards through the anlysis) did Exy gain an unfair advantage?
Isn't using the analyze board using 'chess software' in the same context?
Originally posted by The Swine Down HopeAnalyse boad is supplied by the site to be used by anyone on the site who chooses to use it - i.e. a level playing field.
This is a strange one, could exy really have been banned for using chess software in this manner?
Isn't using the analyze board using 'chess software' in the same context?
Software owners may be deemed to be gaining an advantage by using their software in this way.
I don't know what the true answer is - I just want to explore this train of thought.
Originally posted by rhbIn general, using software like Arena, Winboard, ChessBase etc (instead of the RHP analyzer) in order to manually analyze a position would not be considered by the Game Mods as a violation of 3(b). However, if you plug an engine into this software, and then use its recommendations to assist you in your games, you certainly are cheating. There are hundreds of freeware (and commercial) engines that can be plugged into such analysis software.
Analyse boad is supplied by the site to be used by anyone on the site who chooses to use it - i.e. a level playing field.
Software owners may be deemed to be gaining an advantage by using their software in this way.
I don't know what the true answer is - I just want to explore this train of thought.
That someone cuts and pastes PGNs into any external software is not prima facie evidence of cheating.
For a player to be banned under 3(b) there has to be overwhelming evidence of external assistance (e.g. the use of an engine).
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then will someone please explain how he blunders away a queen while using computer software?
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Originally posted by fierytormentWho knows... maybe he didn't use an engine that time.
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then will someone please explain how he blunders away a queen while using computer software?
--tmetzler
Edit: What day was that move made on? I would bet that it was made AFTER he had been informed by Russ that there was strong evidence against him. And asked for explanation....
Originally posted by fierytormentit was some of his very rare moves where he dared to play without software... and no wonder he did this blunder ;-)
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then will someone please explain how he blunders away a queen while using computer software?
edit: or may be he wanted to prove that he is playing without machine help... it was a silly try anyway...
Originally posted by fierytormentnow that I think about it, this is BETTER evidence that exy was a cheater. People claim he made blatent blunders all the time. Blunders like a 1100 would make, not a 1700. This is clear evidence that he used an engine in some games, and played his own game in some games.
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then will someone please explain how he blunders away a queen while using computer software?
Originally posted by fierytormentGame 626459
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then will someone please explain how he blunders away a queen while using computer software?
Yeah, clear sign of engine use on Exy's part ... No chance in the endgame and he lost it by being greedy ...
***sense the sarcasm***
Originally posted by CoconutLike you know anything about it.
now that I think about it, this is BETTER evidence that exy was a cheater. People claim he made blatent blunders all the time. Blunders like a 1100 would make, not a 1700. This is clear evidence that he used an engine in some games, and played his own game in some games.
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=31232&page=5
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Originally posted by The Slow PawnGame 626459
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Yeah, clear sign of engine use on Exy's part ... No chance in the endgame and he lost it by being greedy ...
***sense the sarcasm***
Yeah, clear sign of engine use on Exy's part ... No chance in the endgame and he lost it by being greedy ...
***sense the sarcasm***
If that was an engine may I suggest a tune-up !!!
Seriously, does it really make a difference if a cheat does so in 1% of his/her games........perhaps 5% or 10%....you break the rules you pay the price. Should we (the supporters of this site) see any or all of the evidence??? For me, I don't need to see the proof, I trust the administrators (blindly perhaps). But what's to gain by ousting legit players?? Doesn't make sense.
For those who need the proof, what would you need to see (asking honestly)?
Frank