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Originally posted by Alpha10Well, if you look at the two games in question:
Have to disagree with you on this one Ravello.
Someone's rating going up 500 points in a short time could be the result of them playing and winning several games a day. What you should look for is the players, who in their early games lost to players, say, in the 1400's, and in their rapid point increase beat everyone they play. I happen to be on a winn ...[text shortened]... Most of my losses have come to people rated way above I could ever hope to be, or from timeouts.
In the first, a player loses to a 1000 rated non-provisional player.
In the second (6 days later), the same player wins and plays with a completely different style against a 1700 rated non-provisional player.
I'm not making any accusations, but I wouldn't want to play somebody that has such great fluctuations in skill-level.
--tmetzler
phew what a long thread -- i've just read the whole thing.
a couple of thoughts
1. sounds like phlab and david have some secret method of rooting out cheats which they can't tell us about because then it wouldn't work. fair enough. good on you both for all the time and effort you're putting in. surely just letting us know HOW MANY people are booted by the game mods would keep almost everyone fairly happy?
2. suspected cheatahs could be forced to play david on uchess. say an 8 minute game. should be fairly revealing, i would think.
Originally posted by murrowNot really. 8 minutes is plenty long enough for people to use an engine. Plus, some great correspondence players aren't anywhere near as good OTB, or blitz.
2. suspected cheatahs could be forced to play david on uchess. say an 8 minute game. should be fairly revealing, i would think.
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Originally posted by Ragnorak
Not really. 8 minutes is plenty long enough for people to use an engine. Plus, some great correspondence players aren't anywhere near as good OTB, or blitz.
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maybe with a webcam then ... or we could arrange for david to fly in to the relevant city for an otb duel. no time limits, books allowed. okay david?
Originally posted by Moldy CrowBecause his admission was most likely a joke.
Can anyone explain why SirUlrich has not been banned for admitting using an engine and then mocking us all about it ?
Though there was a player named SirLoseALot who confessed to using an engine but was never booted, so who knows...
Originally posted by no1marauderI played him two games before(lost both if I remember right) , but did not feel that I was crushed by an engine . I felt like I was beaten by a slightly more experienced player . I checked His rating and win/loss graph . If he uses an engine he does it poorly , for occasional moves , or doesn't heed it's advice . He's probably just a smartass . But to even falsely admit he cheats , and rub the mods/members noses in it on this forum with not so much as a finger shaken at him tells me the mods are guttless and impotent on the cheating issue overall .
Sir Ulrich was a bitter opponent of the Game Mods from Day One; I suspect his "admission" is just another way to mock the attempt to stop engine use. Don't really know for sure since I never analyzed one of his games.
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Originally posted by Moldy CrowSo in a way, he has simply proven the overall point of this entire thread.
He's probably just a smartass . But to even falsely admit he cheats , and rub the mods/members noses in it on this forum with not so much as a finger shaken at him tells me the mods are guttless and impotent on the cheating issue overall .
Way to go SirUlrich!
--tmetzler
Originally posted by Moldy CrowOne person has alerted the post of SirUlrich. Yes, it bothers me also... but I can't take things personal and ban someone who is against me, and obviously just busting nuts.
I played him two games before(lost both if I remember right) , but did not feel that I was crushed by an engine . I felt like I was beaten by a slightly more experienced player . I checked His rating and win/loss graph . If he uses an engine he does it poorly , for occasional moves , or doesn't heed it's advice . He's probably just a smartass . But to ...[text shortened]... finger shaken at him tells me the mods are guttless and impotent on the cheating issue overall .
If I could, you'd all be gone!
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However you feel about SirUlrich's tongue in cheek "confession", it's not as bad in my opinion as a clan leader bringing to a public forum that they suspect one of their members of being an engine user. That was incredibly bad form. How many of us immediately went to that clan and wondered who the suspect is. It's actions like that that will drive people away from this site more so than the cheating. Any system that depends on an honor system for people not to cheat must expect a certain number of the users to ignore that. I assumed that coming in and it didn't keep me away.
Just to clarify my position -
I am not against Phlababit- I think he is an ok kind of guy.
I wasn't against Game Mods from day one - I merely pointed out that it would never work and sad to say It looks as if I was correct.
Actually I even volunteered as a game mod, and supported the candidates David Tebb and Mephisto2 both of whom are decent men and extremely good chess players.
It's just strange that if you can't communicate with those who do confess how will the site ever deal with all those cheats that don't confess
Originally posted by murrowCorrespondence rating and OTB rating don't have very much to do with each other (there have been some threads in the chess forum about this). Some players have a much higher OTB rating than correspondence rating, for others it's the other way round. I am absolutely crap if I have to play fast and can't use an analyze board. If a comparison of your blitz play and correspondence play would be used to determine whether you are a cheater, I would probably be banned right away...
2. suspected cheatahs could be forced to play david on uchess. say an 8 minute game. should be fairly revealing, i would think.
