Originally posted by galveston75If you want to discuss religion in the Scientific Forum, then I happily discuss why religion does not work in a scientific sense. Science and religion cannot mix. So if you just say that your little creation theory of yours is your religion, and it cannot be touched scientifically, then I agree with you. But when you try to show that evolution isn't a scientific matter, then I will tell you that you're wrong, and happily tell you why.
But you not listening. Yes there had to be a 1st day somewhere in the past according to evolutionist that this creature somehow starting to develop the ability to use radar as he no doubt didn't have it somewhere in his earlier years of evolving. Am I wrong on this?
I'd be very happy if you show some proofs that creation really is science. But perhpas this would be better started in another thread...
Of course there is no day one in the echo hearing of bats. That would imply that a single individual bat gets his hearing from scratch to full blown effectivity more or less instantanously. This has nothing to do with evolution. Don't you see yourself that this is a contradiction? Evolution takes place gradually for many generations, not from one day to another. This is known facts!
You really must learn a little of evolution before you develope your strong opinions against it.
Originally posted by FabianFnasAm I wrong on this? Answer my question instead of avoiding it... Did I ever say it happened in one day?
If you want to discuss religion in the Scientific Forum, then I happily discuss why religion does not work in a scientific sense. Science and religion cannot mix. So if you just say that your little creation theory of yours is your religion, and it cannot be touched scientifically, then I agree with you. But when you try to show that evolution isn't a sci ...[text shortened]... really must learn a little of evolution before you develope your strong opinions against it.
Originally posted by galveston75"If you need to rely on such an ability to survive while hunting for a food source, that function would have to work from day one and not slowly evolve in many unfunctional stages."
Did I ever say it happened in one day?
My question to you: Did you write this or didn't you?
Originally posted by FabianFnas"Yes there had to be a 1st day somewhere in the past according to evolutionist that this creature somehow starting to "develop" the ability to use radar as he no doubt didn't have it somewhere in his earlier years of evolving. Am I wrong on this?"
"If you need to rely on such an ability to survive while hunting for a food source, [b]that function would have to work from day one and not slowly evolve in many unfunctional stages."
My question to you: Did you write this or didn't you?[/b]
This is my question I'm wanting you to answer...
Originally posted by galveston75Do you want me to answer - again?
"Yes there had to be a 1st day somewhere in the past according to evolutionist that this creature somehow starting to "develop" the ability to use radar as he no doubt didn't have it somewhere in his earlier years of evolving. Am I wrong on this?"
This is my question I'm wanting you to answer...
No, there cannot be any day one!
Yes, you are wrong on that!
You are too creational to understand that. In genisis there are a day one, day two, etc, up to day six. That's creation! That's religion! That's bullocks! That's not evolution!
Originally posted by galveston75Anyone with ears already has radar. It just isn't very sophisticated.
Yes there had to be a 1st day somewhere in the past according to evolutionist that this creature somehow starting to develop the ability to use radar as he no doubt didn't have it somewhere in his earlier years of evolving. Am I wrong on this?
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/echolocation/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation
In the case of bats they already had a basic form of it as a side effect of hearing (probably better than ours) and just improved it over time. I am sure that different bat species have different abilities in that regard. I suspect too that many more animals than you realize actually use the technique.
Some species of swift use echolocation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftlet
Is it your claim that they are unrelated to other species of swift, or do you claim that God gave them the gift as they evolved, or do you accept that they evolved the trait at some point?
Originally posted by FabianFnasWell your wrong and I'll explain it to you according to the evolution theory.
Do you want me to answer - again?
No, there cannot be any day one!
Yes, you are wrong on that!
You are too creational to understand that. In genisis there are a day one, day two, etc, up to day six. That's creation! That's religion! That's bullocks! That's not evolution!
According to this theory when a species somehow detects a change in it's enviroment and needs to adapt, somehow a gene, all in some short period of time manages to "starts this process" of mutating into whatever these outside circumstances require for it's survival and it may take thousands of years for this process to be completed.
But still there is a moment in time that this gene starts this adjustment process in order to survive.
Explain if you can if this is not correct...
Originally posted by galveston75So now you give an example of evolutuon to me? I certainly have turned you over! Hallelujah, you are saved!
Well your wrong and I'll explain it to you according to the evolution theory.
According to this theory when a species somehow detects a change in it's enviroment and needs to adapt, somehow a gene, all in some short period of time manages to "starts this process" of mutating into whatever these outside circumstances require for it's surviv ...[text shortened]... this adjustment process in order to survive.
Explain if you can if this is not correct...
Now you only have to learn something about evolution too...
Originally posted by twhiteheadGod created the bat with a full working echo system unlike the theory of evolution which would have the bat struggle with many forms of a non effeciant radar system. Again the bat would never survive with one that is half working as would be the case according to the slow process of evolving.
Anyone with ears already has radar. It just isn't very sophisticated.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/echolocation/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation
In the case of bats they already had a basic form of it as a side effect of hearing (probably better than ours) and just improved it over time. I am sure that different bat spec ...[text shortened]... gave them the gift as they evolved, or do you accept that they evolved the trait at some point?
Originally posted by FabianFnasIn theory according to your belief..... Why do you still not answer my question? It's because you can't just as you have never answered my questions.
So now you give an example of evolutuon to me? I certainly have turned you over! Hallelujah, you are saved!
Now you only have to learn something about evolution too...
Originally posted by galveston75I didn't ask you about the bat, I asked you about the swift.
God created the bat with a full working echo system unlike the theory of evolution which would have the bat struggle with many forms of a non effeciant radar system.
Again the bat would never survive with one that is half working as would be the case according to the slow process of evolving.
Most bats in their current lifestyle would not survive without echo location however that does not prove anything. As I already pointed out, there are plenty of animals with half working echo location - including humans.
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Taking a different approach to this argument:
So let's assume for the sake of argument that there is a divine creator. Would not this being (God if you prefer) rather than design a gazillion creatures individually over time only to have to create new ones later on based on environmental changes instead design life in such as way that it could adapt, mutate, change, evolve over time to respond to its constantly changing environment? Would that not be the intelligent thing to do?
As a software developer, I don't develop systems one at a time and then scrap them and redo them when market conditions change. Instead I design the components in such a way that they are flexible and can be easily adapted over time thus increasing the longevity of any system that I create.
It would seem to me that an all-powerful, intelligent designer would design life in such a way that it could evolve on it's own so that it could change, adapt, evolve, multiply, create it's own variations, and ultimately survive over the course of billions of years.
Originally posted by UllrI'm thinking along those lines as well.
Taking a different approach to this argument:
So let's assume for the sake of argument that there is a divine creator. Would not this being (God if you prefer) rather than design a gazillion creatures individually over time only to have to create new ones later on based on environmental changes instead design life in such as way that it could adapt, mutate, ...[text shortened]... ly, create it's own variations, and ultimately survive over the course of billions of years.
I think Galveston just thinks that God went "poof!!" and then there were bats (and other animals,etc.)
Correct me if I'm wrong G75
Originally posted by galveston75I have answered the question time after time. Is it that you don't accept the answer, or is it that you don't find my answer? Or perhaps don't understand my answer?
In theory according to your belief..... Why do you still not answer my question? It's because you can't just as you have never answered my questions.
I say there is no day one. We're talking evolution, and the things doesn't happen from one day to another.
If you ask the same question agian, I will answer with the same answer again.
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Originally posted by karoly aczelSure. I mean if I were a being with divine powers and intelligence beyond our comprehension then surely I'd design the very essence of life to be a bit more clever than just creating a separate cookie cutter for each individual species.
I'm thinking along those lines as well.
I think Galveston just thinks that God went "poof!!" and then there were bats (and other animals,etc.)
Correct me if I'm wrong G75