Originally posted by sonhouse"IF there is a god there would be a reason for all that killing. I don't care to know such a god if that is how it thinks."
You said it. IF there is a god there would be a reason for all that killing. I don't care to know such a god if that is how it thinks.
Hey, I can't say there is no god, it's a big universe and maybe an infinite number of universes to boot and we are just too small right now to say yea or nay about a god.
I can say with utter confidence however, that ...[text shortened]... ice age or the opposite.
We are in it by ourselves and that is the fact of the matter.
If there is a (g)od there would be a reason for all that killing? That is obtuse thinking. That is not rational reasoning sir. It is as emotionalistic as it gets. Especially for an adult.
"Hey, I can't say there is no god, it's a big universe and maybe an infinite number of universes to boot and we are just too small right now to say yea or nay about a god."
So then you're admitting you may be wrong?
"I can say with utter confidence however, that the bible god is total nonsense, just a god made in man's image. The really sad part is how many people get killed over this imaginary god."
So you say. Does that mean you think that those who kill(murder)in the name of God are not guilty because it is God's fault that they kill? Does that justify your vile insults against a non-existent God and those who profess faith in that God?
Are you so shallow and full of bigotry that you can't see the difference between an honest Christian and a hypocrite?
"When the human race throws off the shackles of religion they can start to mature as a race but till then, religious war remains the only visible aspect of religion."
How anyone with even the smallest amount of common sense and half a brain can draw the conclusion that religion is responsible for so much injustice is no surprise to me. Crime of every kind is committed nonstop everyday everywhere, and to heap blame on those who live by faith and at peace with their neighbor is the biggest crime of all, and those who do so deserve the label hypocrite.
"Sure there are the few do-gooders who actually help people but why have to refer to an imaginary god to do good?
When I do good it is because some helpless person needs help. End of story. No litany about going to heaven, no trying to get the person who was helped to be part of my congregation.
Just help them if they need help. Forget any heavenly gains you think you might be in the way for when you die.
People should live for today and tomorrow and forget about utopias and golden rainbows and hosanna's. The world and the universe around us is golden enough as it is and we should be spending our energy saving our planet not destroying it wallowing in greed. Which of course has nothing to do with religion.
The main point I am making is no god is going to come down and save our sorry asses if we off ourselves in some kind of nuclear war or climactic disaster, causing the next ice age or the opposite.
We are in it by ourselves and that is the fact of the matter."
Come to your senses sonhouse.
Originally posted by josephwWell, it appears that sunhouse is one with the smallest amount of common sense and half a brain.
[b]"IF there is a god there would be a reason for all that killing. I don't care to know such a god if that is how it thinks."
If there is a (g)od there would be a reason for all that killing? That is obtuse thinking. That is not rational reasoning sir. It is as emotionalistic as it gets. Especially for an adult.
"Hey, I can't say ...[text shortened]... lves and that is the fact of the matter."
Come to your senses sonhouse.[/b]
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Originally posted by wolfgang59I guess you don't know the difference.
Never had to critique a fictional character in a novel?
I have 6 year-olds arguing for and against Jack in "Jack and the Beanstalk"
luckily they do not see it ridiculous to bad-mouth a character they know
doesn't exist.
We know that Jack and the Beanstalk is fiction. It's children's literature. Now you are behaving as a child. I hope to God you're not a teacher in a grade school.
Originally posted by josephwmindlessly following any absurd story you are being fed is , not surprising, being mindless. if you accept the story of the flood, why aren't you accepting slavery? after all, killing EVERYONE on the planet might be considered slightly more evil than having SOME slaves, and being commanded to treat them well(ish).
I guess you don't know the difference.
We know that Jack and the Beanstalk is fiction. It's children's literature. Now you are behaving as a child. I hope to God you're not a teacher in a grade school.
tell me, what is stopping you, or any theist out there, regardless of the religion or level of faith he/she has, to believe anything that the leaders of that particular faith command? it can't be the bible, or the quran, because most psychopath priests/imams do in fact interpret the holy texts to convey a message. what is stopping you as a muslim from blowing yourself up in a crowded school? what is stopping you as a christian from selling all your stuff, because your priest has decided that tomorrow the rapture comes?
how about thinking for yourself? do you think that might stop you following someone else's opinion?
Originally posted by wolfgang59Are you equating yourself with 6 year old kids?
Never had to critique a fictional character in a novel?
I have 6 year-olds arguing for and against Jack in "Jack and the Beanstalk"
luckily they do not see it ridiculous to bad-mouth a character they know
doesn't exist.
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Originally posted by ZahlanziChrist followed God and not man. We Christian follow Christ. So we are good to go.
mindlessly following any absurd story you are being fed is , not surprising, being mindless. if you accept the story of the flood, why aren't you accepting slavery? after all, killing EVERYONE on the planet might be considered slightly more evil than having SOME slaves, and being commanded to treat them well(ish).
tell me, what is stopping you, or any ...[text shortened]... ut thinking for yourself? do you think that might stop you following someone else's opinion?
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Originally posted by josephwYou theists have a really hard time grasping this.
You are in denial.
The reason for your vitriol is due to the fact that you know God has your number. The Word of God has you pegged for what you(and I)are and that's what has you pissed off.
You are immature in every possible way.
I don't believe your god exists.
Period.
To "know god has your number" as you put it requires believing that god exists.
I don't.
No atheist believes your god exists BY DEFINITION.
How hard is that to grasp really?
No my vitriol is directed squarely at people who both believe that such monsters as
your god is depicted as being actually exist...
AND believe that such monsters are right and just and loving while believing that
they have actually committed the acts described in your holy books.
I consider your god to be no more real than Voldermort or Darth Vader...
But YOU believe that your god is real, and thus it's perfectly legitimate for me to
point out problems with your god as you describe it (or as described in your holy books).
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Originally posted by googlefudgeDid you ever see the movie They Shoot Horses, Don't They? If not here is a link to the final scene.
You theists have a really hard time grasping this.
I don't believe your god exists.
Period.
To "know god has your number" as you put it requires believing that god exists.
I don't.
No atheist believes your god exists BY DEFINITION.
How hard is that to grasp really?
No my vitriol is directed squarely at people who both believe that
point out problems with your god as you describe it (or as described in your holy books).
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Originally posted by ZahlanziWho said anything about anything being mindless?
mindlessly following any absurd story you are being fed is , not surprising, being mindless. if you accept the story of the flood, why aren't you accepting slavery? after all, killing EVERYONE on the planet might be considered slightly more evil than having SOME slaves, and being commanded to treat them well(ish).
tell me, what is stopping you, or any ...[text shortened]... ut thinking for yourself? do you think that might stop you following someone else's opinion?
But since you mentioned it you might want to consider how mindless is your post.
Your comprehension of the Bible is quite mindless by the way. I would tell you why, but you are mindlessly biased to the extent that you believe the Bible false.
Originally posted by googlefudge"You theists have a really hard time grasping this. I don't believe your god exists."
You theists have a really hard time grasping this.
I don't believe your god exists.
Period.
To "know god has your number" as you put it requires believing that god exists.
I don't.
No atheist believes your god exists BY DEFINITION.
How hard is that to grasp really?
No my vitriol is directed squarely at people who both believe that ...[text shortened]...
point out problems with your god as you describe it (or as described in your holy books).
What's so difficult to grasp?
What YOU don't seem to grasp is that you're wrong! Which explains your plebeionic grasp of the scriptures.
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Originally posted by josephwFrom the perspective of dealing with your post where you said...
[b]"You theists have a really hard time grasping this. I don't believe your god exists."
What's so difficult to grasp?
What YOU don't seem to grasp is that you're wrong! Which explains your plebeionic grasp of the scriptures.[/b]
You are in denial.
The reason for your vitriol is due to the fact that you know God has your number. The Word of God has you pegged for what you(and I)are and that's what has you pissed off.
You are immature in every possible way.
What is relevant is not whether I am right but what I believe (or don't believe).
It's irrelevant as to whether or not your god actually exists in dealing with this question
because my being in denial or not is dependent not on gods existence but on my beliefs
about gods existence.
As I don't believe god exists, I can't be in denial about "god having my number".
I don't think it's difficult to grasp but you seem determined to demonstrate otherwise
by writing posts that make no sense unless you have failed to grasp that atheists
by definition don't have a belief in the existence of gods and thus cannot possibly be
in denial about "god having their number", or any other similar nonsense.
Now I am not actually wrong about gods non-existence, and it's plebeian not plebeionic...
but that's not relevant to the issue at hand.
Originally posted by josephwIf he is wrong, prove it. Prove it by calling out your so-called god and have IT tell us we are wrong in our judgement such a god exists. You are a human, at least it looks like it from here. And as a human, you know absolutely nothing more than any other human about real spiritual attributes, which means we are all in the same boat. So all you have in point of fact is your book which I might remind you, was written by humans with no more spiritual knowledge than any other human and in fact made up the entire edifice with no input from a real god.
[b]"You theists have a really hard time grasping this. I don't believe your god exists."
What's so difficult to grasp?
What YOU don't seem to grasp is that you're wrong! Which explains your plebeionic grasp of the scriptures.[/b]
Which is not to say real gods cannot exist. I can say with personal certainty YOUR so-called god does not exist and there will be no god coming down to fix all our boo boo's if we off ourselves. We are in this thing together alone in the universe, no help coming.
What you believe is just in the imagination of billions of people wishing such a god exists, although why that is I have no idea. Billions of duped people. Its sad really.
Originally posted by googlefudgeGod the creator exists. The evidence for which is in the very fabric of your being. The evidence for which is in all that exists. The evidence of which you deny even in the face of God.
From the perspective of dealing with your post where you said...You are in denial.
The reason for your vitriol is due to the fact that you know God has your number. The Word of God has you pegged for what you(and I)are and that's what has you pissed off.
You are immature in every possible way.
What is relevant is not whether I ...[text shortened]... and it's plebeian not plebeionic...
but that's not relevant to the issue at hand.
Of course you're in denial. But believe it or not I can see why it is so. But you can't. Just as you spew forth your venomous hatred for God by your attack against me by every insult you can bring yourself to hurl, you deceive yourself into believing a lie that your creator doesn't exist. The hypocrisy is appalling and blatant. You are as guilty as sin for only God knows what in this life, all the while blaming anyone and anything for your shortfall, and even a God you don't believe exists, which is mind numbingly ignorant in it's arrogance.
You don't like the sound of your own vitriol reflecting back at you do you?
Plebeionic sounds right to me. Are you jealous you didn't think of it first?
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Originally posted by josephwNo I just think your illiterate as well as ignorant.
God the creator exists. The evidence for which is in the very fabric of your being. The evidence for which is in all that exists. The evidence of which you deny even in the face of God.
Of course you're in denial. But believe it or not I can see why it is so. But you can't. Just as you spew forth your venomous hatred for God by your attack against me by ...[text shortened]... do you?
Plebeionic sounds right to me. Are you jealous you didn't think of it first?
You have no comprehension of what constitutes evidence.
My existence (and the existence of the universe) is only evidence for the existence of a god if my
existence is likely to be contingent on the existence on a creator god or gods.
And the strength of that evidence is proportionate to the likelihood of my existence being contingent
on a creator god or gods.
As my existence, and the existence of the universe is completely explicable without resorting to the
supernatural of any kind, let alone a monotheistic creator deity, the likelihood of my existence being
contingent on a god or gods is so small as to not be worth calculating, let alone taking seriously.
And even if it were the case that my existence was likely contingent on the existence of a creator
god or gods... There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that that deity is the god of the bible, or
ANY of the thousands of gods imagined by man over the millennia.
I find your holier than thou, you have sinned crap, to be truly repugnant.
Neither you nor your imaginary god has any moral authority to judge any of my actions.
You don't even understand the concept of morality, so blinded are you by the sick and twisted
notion of sin.
You are so deluded and sunk in your foul religious faith that you have become utterly blind to the possibility
of others who think and believe differently to you.
The idea that we atheists really do know that there is a god and that we deny it's existence so that we
can 'sin' is arrogant insulting and idiotic.
How DARE you presume to tell ME what I do or do not know or believe.
You still don't get what I have been trying to drill into your brain.
I DO NOT HAVE, AND HAVE NEVER HAD, THE SLIGHTEST SHRED OF BELIEF IN THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR GOD OR ANY GODS.
I am not in denial, I am not kidding myself, I really have no belief in your gods existence and never have had any.
I was raised by atheists in a post-theist household.
The possibility of a god existing never even came up.
Now as an adult I have science and skepticism as the tools of rationality to tell me that there is no evidence or rational for
belief in gods and more than enough to justify disbelief and even knowledge claims of gods non-existence.
I can trace through history the birth of the blight that is Christianity as it's various parts were made up.
I can see the absurdity of it's stories, the bankruptcy of it's 'morality', the factually incorrect claims...
I still can't comprehend how anyone can believe that it is actually true.
Your claims are wrong, ignorant, insulting and arrogant.
And if this seems harsh to you then I advise thus.
"Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness
For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire
That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath"
I play nice on these forums.
Originally posted by ZahlanziShall I accept and follow the story of your post Zahlazi?
mindlessly following any absurd story you are being fed is , not surprising, being mindless. if you accept the story of the flood, why aren't you accepting slavery? after all, killing EVERYONE on the planet might be considered slightly more evil than having SOME slaves, and being commanded to treat them well(ish).
tell me, what is stopping you, or any ...[text shortened]... ut thinking for yourself? do you think that might stop you following someone else's opinion?
Shall any of us merely follow blindly and mindlessly whatever we hear from whatever source we hear it from?
Who is to say what is legitimate and what is not?
WHO?