Originally posted by googlefudgeWorry not oh majestic one that you can offend me with such brilliance as you have displayed. It's not me you need to be worried about offending.
No I just think your illiterate as well as ignorant.
You have no comprehension of what constitutes evidence.
My existence (and the existence of the universe) is only evidence for the existence of a god if my
existence is likely to be contingent on the existence on a creator god or gods.
And the strength of that evidence is proportionate to ...[text shortened]... etoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath"
I play nice on these forums.
"You have no comprehension of what constitutes evidence.
My existence (and the existence of the universe) is only evidence for the existence of a god if my
existence is likely to be contingent on the existence on a creator god or gods.
And the strength of that evidence is proportionate to the likelihood of my existence being contingent
on a creator god or gods.
As my existence, and the existence of the universe is completely explicable without resorting to the
supernatural of any kind, let alone a monotheistic creator deity, the likelihood of my existence being
contingent on a god or gods is so small as to not be worth calculating, let alone taking seriously."
Your entire post reeks of smug hypocrisy. You cannot help but to lie. You can prove nothing at all, much less the origin of Christianity, which is making you ill here. You sound sick. See the Doctor.
Originally posted by josephwIf he sounds sick it is because those of us who want freedom FROM religion are driven to it by incessant warnings of your hell, which BTW, you are already in.
Worry not oh majestic one that you can offend me with such brilliance as you have displayed. It's not me you need to be worried about offending.
[b]"You have no comprehension of what constitutes evidence.
My existence (and the existence of the universe) is only evidence for the existence of a god if my
existence is likely to be contingent on the ex ...[text shortened]... ess the origin of Christianity, which is making you ill here. You sound sick. See the Doctor.
Originally posted by sonhouseIf we were to stop our warning, you should fear that God would make the stones cry out to warn you. Then perhaps you would be driven crazy too.
If he sounds sick it is because those of us who want freedom FROM religion are driven to it by incessant warnings of your hell, which BTW, you are already in.
The Instructor
Originally posted by sonhouseLOL
If he sounds sick it is because those of us who want freedom FROM religion are driven to it by incessant warnings of your hell, which BTW, you are already in.
You don't want freedom from religion. You want to bask in it.
Why else is it that you spend all your waking moments here?
Hahahaha!
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Originally posted by josephwIf I had freedom from religion I would be concentrating on things that matter, like my music compositions.
LOL
You don't want freedom from religion. You want to bask in it.
Why else is it that you spend all your waking moments here?
Hahahaha!
It is the implications of all the radical theists that confound my life, even though they don't effect me directly, I am very troubled by the right wing nutters in the bible belt in the US and other countries trying to force creationism to be taught as if it were actual science which court challenge after challenge has show it to not be science and therefore not to be taught along side evolution in a science class.
But having lost that phase, the nutters now are going after the freedom of speech card.
They are seriously undermining the educational system in the US and other places and that in turn affects our scientific status in the world, for instance, no longer #1 in the production of science papers and the ones doing science in the US are no longer called McCoy's or Rogers but Sung Loo and Ching Tzou.
I suppose that means nothing to a true theist since you can't wait for the rapture all the while the US deteriorates before our very eyes.
You are dammed right I feel threatened by religion with good reason.
I keep hearing from theists around here, the real problem with religion is the extremist and that is true but the problem there is they effect society way outside their actual size in numbers as you can see quite clearly in the attacks on evolution and the attempts to force creationism on young minds as if it were a real science.
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Originally posted by sonhouseThe true believers in the God of the Holy Bible are against false science, not real science. Real science enhances our lives, while false science retracts from the goodness in our lives.
If I had freedom from religion I would be concentrating on things that matter, like my music compositions.
It is the implications of all the radical theists that confound my life, even though they don't effect me directly, I am very troubled by the right wing nutters in the bible belt in the US and other countries trying to force creationism to be taught a evolution and the attempts to force creationism on young minds as if it were a real science.
How does teaching we evolved from an ape creature enhance our lives?
The Christian religion encourages us to seek to return to be like we were when God first created us in His own image. It teaches to be good to others by giving to the needy and to defend the rights and freedoms of others. We even defend your right to disagree with us and go to Hell, if you please. However, we would prefer you change your ways and go to Heaven, for your own good.
The Instructor
Originally posted by sonhouse"You are dammed right I feel threatened by religion with good reason."
If I had freedom from religion I would be concentrating on things that matter, like my music compositions.
It is the implications of all the radical theists that confound my life, even though they don't effect me directly, I am very troubled by the right wing nutters in the bible belt in the US and other countries trying to force creationism to be taught a ...[text shortened]... evolution and the attempts to force creationism on young minds as if it were a real science.
Believe it or not I agree with a large portion of your concerns, but not necessarily for the same reasons. Religion is not a good thing. A relationship with the Creator is a good thing. The problem is folks don't understand what a relationship with God looks like. So they think they need to make a show of it.
In this forum we are merely exchanging ideas and beliefs. Those things won't hurt you. It's when one forces another unreasonably against their will to do or not do something that's essentially none of their business based on their idea of how it aught to be, whether they are right or wrong.
But alas, I am not a mover or a shaker. So don't let me get in your way on your way to where you are going.
Give me a break one time. If you'll look closely you'll see that I don't debate public policy.
I'm after your heart. I'm on a much more dangerous mission. 😉
Originally posted by josephwWell good you agree with that. I feel if your god wants to make a one on one, let it be the one that does it, not putting the onus on people who have good reason to suspect it is all a big ponzi scheme. One appearance by your god would dispel all doubt. But of course that will not happen, we are supposed to just do a self lobotomy and forget the fact we can see through the eyes of pretty amazing intelligence and we use that intelligence to make sense of the world but when science begins to refute the fairy tales of the bible that's when the friendship ends and the fighting begins. We were given or evolved, take your pick, to have intelligence but theists cry unfair when we actually figure things out without the help of a god. Like the age of the Earth and the universe or the idea there may be many, if not and infinite number, of universes and so forth.
[b]"You are dammed right I feel threatened by religion with good reason."
Believe it or not I agree with a large portion of your concerns, but not necessarily for the same reasons. Religion is not a good thing. A relationship with the Creator is a good thing. The problem is folks don't understand what a relationship with God looks like. So they think ...[text shortened]... te public policy.
I'm after your heart. I'm on a much more dangerous mission. 😉[/b]
Like figuring out DNA and the timeline of life, theists, at least fundies, positively HATE humans using the intelligence that separates us from the Apes.
Originally posted by sonhouseYou are the one that seems to be going crazy with this HATE talk.
Well good you agree with that. I feel if your god wants to make a one on one, let it be the one that does it, not putting the onus on people who have good reason to suspect it is all a big ponzi scheme. One appearance by your god would dispel all doubt. But of course that will not happen, we are supposed to just do a self lobotomy and forget the fact we can ...[text shortened]... t least fundies, positively HATE humans using the intelligence that separates us from the Apes.
The Instructor
Originally posted by sonhouseWe see the universe differently.
Well good you agree with that. I feel if your god wants to make a one on one, let it be the one that does it, not putting the onus on people who have good reason to suspect it is all a big ponzi scheme. One appearance by your god would dispel all doubt. But of course that will not happen, we are supposed to just do a self lobotomy and forget the fact we can ...[text shortened]... t least fundies, positively HATE humans using the intelligence that separates us from the Apes.
We are not enemies.
We agree to disagree in this forum, but in the real world we give the shirt off our back if needed.
Sometimes we even get worked up over what we see as the ignorance of the other. We say things in ways we shouldn't. We're human after all. I always forgive and forget. There's no point in holding a grudge over a disagreement.
Let's be friends and fight like dogs. lol
Originally posted by josephw"i would explain why you are wrong but you are so wrong that i won't bother"
Who said anything about anything being mindless?
But since you mentioned it you might want to consider how mindless is your post.
Your comprehension of the Bible is quite mindless by the way. I would tell you why, but you are mindlessly biased to the extent that you believe the Bible false.
interesting debating technique. and it is interesting how you misrepresented my stance.
the bible is a collection of teachings. kind of like the fables of la fontaine. nobody thinks the story of the cricket and the ant actually happened. they ignore that and move to what is important: the teaching: don't be lazy and save food for winter. you however, and people like you, disconnect your brain, and think the fable of the flood actually happened. nevermind the fact that there is absolutely no science to support it, and nevermind the actual teaching (don't be a jerk or bad stuff will happen to you), you actually believed 8 people managed to take care of a gajilion animals, on a boat, when most zoos with but a fraction of those animals employ a hundred people(just one of the numerous things wrong with the flood).
the flood is easy to argue against, and still you people don't get it. yet it is enough to disprove the claim "the bible is 100% correct" and it confirms at least in part what sonhouse said: "the bible has some REALLY stupid stories in it"
Originally posted by josephwyou would make the same mistake you are making now? why follow me instead? why follow anyone?
Shall I accept and follow the story of your post Zahlazi?
Shall any of us merely follow blindly and mindlessly whatever we hear from whatever source we hear it from?
Who is to say what is legitimate and what is not?
[b]WHO?[/b]
make up your own mind. read. gather knowledge. see what knowledge is biased and what is not. and then process it. anyone who believes the story of the flood actually happened is really either ignorant or mindlessly follows what someone else says. or follows someone else because he is ignorant.
there is of course the extra possibility one is borderline retarded, but you can't be that because you are able to type on a computer.
so? are you a drone? or an ignorant drone?
Originally posted by ZahlanziYou're trying hard to produce a viable argument, but it's not working.
you would make the same mistake you are making now? why follow me instead? why follow anyone?
make up your own mind. read. gather knowledge. see what knowledge is biased and what is not. and then process it. anyone who believes the story of the flood actually happened is really either ignorant or mindlessly follows what someone else says. or follows ...[text shortened]... at because you are able to type on a computer.
so? are you a drone? or an ignorant drone?
You are the one following drone-like whatever science supports your view. That's all there is to it, but you don't see the fallacy of your view or of the science you don't really understand.
Like the theory of evolution. It's just an idea. There isn't any real evidence. The evidence that is produced is interpreted in the way that supports the view of the one citing the evidence.
Why struggle over something like the flood anyway?
Why not go for the big one and explain how it is scientifically impossible for someone to rise from the dead?
If you are going to miss believing in something that is true because science tells you it's impossible, then you will miss out on the most profound truth there is to know.
I can hear you and all your science buddies gasping over the very idea that there is a God that raises people from the dead. You just can't handle it, so those who do become the target of your insults. The irony is you're just not as smart as you think you are, which is why you resort to name calling. That's what the insecure do. They belittle someone that doesn't agree with them. It's a form of control for those who are insecure in themselves with the things they think are true.
I think you meet the qualifications.
Originally posted by josephwYou are one of the ones with a more open mind here. Others I can point to....
We see the universe differently.
We are not enemies.
We agree to disagree in this forum, but in the real world we give the shirt off our back if needed.
Sometimes we even get worked up over what we see as the ignorance of the other. We say things in ways we shouldn't. We're human after all. I always forgive and forget. There's no point in holding a grudge over a disagreement.
Let's be friends and fight like dogs. lol
Originally posted by josephwYou are the one following drone-like whatever science supports your view
You're trying hard to produce a viable argument, but it's not working.
You are the one following drone-like whatever science supports your view. That's all there is to it, but you don't see the fallacy of your view or of the science you don't really understand.
Like the theory of evolution. It's just an idea. There isn't any real evidence. The evidenc ...[text shortened]... selves with the things they think are true.
I think you meet the qualifications.
wrong. i base my view on science, i don't look for science to support my view (that i wouldn't have had any reason to form in the first place)
There isn't any real evidence.
countless scientists and people who understand the evidence and the very real evidence disagree.
"Why not go for the big one and explain how it is scientifically impossible for
someone to rise from the dead?"
except that nobody has proven that it is scientifically impossible at all. the definition of dead is very broad. people have come back from the clinically dead. zombie dogs have been reanimated after about 2-3 days. the science is advancing.
i don't care about people who insult me for believing in god. they are just as small minded as the ones insulting a romantic for being romantic. i do care when people like you do not understand a scientific theory and dismiss it by replacing it with something immensely more idiotic, something clearly disproven by everything we know today, be it logic, physics, mathematics, geology, genetics, etc.
genetics says it is impossible for the earth to be populated from a single pair of animals.
physics says it is impossible for that boat of noah to not sink.
geology says it is impossible for that flood to have happened.
i could keep giving examples, and someone more knowledgeable than me could continue even further
"They belittle someone that doesn't agree with them"
unfortunately for you, and people like you, science is not up for debate. you have the right to have an opinion on eating meat. you do not get to disagree with genetics if you don't have arguments other than "no, it didn't happen". as such, i have the right to belittle these peoples. it is right next to having the right to mock adults who believe in santa-claus.