13 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhen I read whodey's comment and question about Auschwitz, designed to raise the stakes and stifle debate, I just had to confront it.
his point is moot to boot for the Americans somehow managed to salvage all those Nazis that were being used in weapons programs!
13 Dec 10
Originally posted by josephwit was hijacked when the federal reserve became a private company!
You may be right. We'll see.
America has been hijacked by a bunch of bastards.
Interesting how under Obama's "rule" we have more troops in Afghanistan?
I really don't think anyone knows what's going on or how to fix it. But I'm sure that it's going to blow up in all our faces.
13 Dec 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobYes. That's why i just wooped your ass in the other thread.
[b]Can you read?
Yes. That's why i just wooped your ass in the other thread.
You're one of them. Right?
One of who?
America is the world criminal. Right?
What??????
Back to my question original question -
Could you explain to me how you made the leap from 'not advocating war' to 'sympathiser'?[/b]
If it makes you feel better to think so, I hope you're happy.
One of who?
Them
What??????
You heard me.
Could you explain to me how you made the leap from 'not advocating war' to 'sympathiser'?
Yes. But I'm gonna leave you hangin'. I'm done gettin' my ass wooped for the day. 😉
13 Dec 10
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Originally posted by John W BoothIt's a fair question. According to JW theology they are not allowed to fight in war no matter the reason. So back during that time had it not been for others willing to fight the Nazis my scenerio would have played out.
That's a pretty shameless playing of the Nazi Card there, whodey. robbie carrobie should now considered himself smeared. "Is it too late to re re-open Auschwitz?" Shameless. Straight to smear, do not pass go.
Having said that, Robbie is somewhat theologically impaired Biblically by the teaching that all war is condenmed by God. AFter all, Biblically the Israelites were told to conquer Canaan and other nations were raised up by God to do battle with them in order to "judge" their misdeeds.
Biblcically governments and law enforcement are there to try and maintain the peace, however, how can they do so unless they arm themselves and respond accordingly?
13 Dec 10
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Originally posted by whodeyrubbish, according to the Biblical example set by Christ and the early Christians, war was not permitted, indeed, it was not permissible for a Christian to serve in the capacity of a soldier, what was it Paul stated, our weapons are light, only because of what you are a part of, a bastardisation of the teachings and examples of Christ must you try to justify war fare by any means at your disposal.
It's a fair question. According to JW theology they are not allowed to fight in war no matter the reason. So back during that time had it not been for others willing to fight the Nazis my scenerio would have played out.
Having said that, Robbie is somewhat theologically impaired Biblically by the teaching that all war is condenmed by God. AFter all, Bib y and maintain the peace, however, how can they do so unless they arm themselves and respond acco
scriptural evidence
1. Matt. 26:52: “Jesus said to him: ‘Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.’” (Could there have been any higher cause for which to fight than to safeguard the Son of God? Yet, Jesus here indicated that those disciples were not to resort to weapons of physical warfare.)
2. Isaiah 2:2-4: “It must occur in the final part of the days that the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains . . . And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.” (Individuals out of all nations must personally decide what course they will pursue)
3. 2 Cor. 10:3, 4: “Though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things.” (Paul here states that he never resorted to weapons)
4. Luke 6:27, 28: “I [Jesus Christ] say to you who are listening, Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.”
Historical evidence
1.“A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [Roman emperor from 161 to 180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.”—The Rise of Christianity (London, 1947), E. W. Barnes, p. 333.
2. “We who were filled with war, and mutual slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the whole earth changed our warlike weapons,—our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of tillage,—and we cultivate piety, righteousness, philanthropy, faith, and hope, which we have from the Father Himself through Him who was crucified.”—Justin Martyr in “Dialogue With Trypho, a Jew” (2nd century C.E.), The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids, Mich.; reprint of 1885 Edinburgh edition), edited by A. Roberts and J. Donaldson, Vol. I, p. 254.
3. “They refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . it was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—History of Christianity (New York, 1891), Edward Gibbon, pp. 162, 163.
perhaps you should check the Bible and your history before you utter such unfounded and quite frankly prejudiced comments! Right wing politicising has no place within Christianity.
13 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMatthew 8:5 And when he had enetered Capernaum, a centurian came to him, entreating him and saying, "Lord, my servant is lying "paralyzed at home, suffering great pain." And he said to him, "I will come and heal him." But the centurian answered and said, "Lord, I am not worthy for you to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I, too, am a man under authority, with soldiers under me, and I say to this one, 'Go!' and he goes and to another, 'Come!' and he come, and to my slave, 'Do this!' and he does it." Now when Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who went following, "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel."
1.“A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [Roman emperor from 161 to 180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.”—The Rise of Christianity (London, 1947), E. W. Barnes, p. 333.
So what are we to gather from this interaction? Does faith not equal righteousness in the Bible? Does Christ say any words to the centurian warning him to turn from the sin of being a soldier and repent like that of the woman caught in adultery? Was this an oversight or perhaps he did not care anything about him?
13 Dec 10
Originally posted by whodeyit proves nothing, says nothing and is practically irrelevant, the fact that Christ healed a centurions servant proves what? Zilch, try pick another straw whodey, or you may like to even comment upon the scriptures that i cited.
Matthew 8:5 And when he had enetered Capernaum, a centurian came to him, entreating him and saying, "Lord, my servant is lying "paralyzed at home, suffering great pain." And he said to him, "I will come and heal him." But the centurian answered and said, "Lord, I am not worthy for you to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be hea ...[text shortened]... n adultery? Was this an oversight or perhaps he did not care anything about him?
13 Dec 10
I think socialism in theory sounds great. No property all common. Perfect love for our fellow man. The problem is man!! The only one who can institute a perfect government will be God I think. Then true socialism will be. We will have no need for money. However in the current scheme of things socialism will never work. We have to pick the lesser of evils and free markets are better than stifling government control on everything. The problem is man's greed in every form of government.
Manny
13 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOnce again you ignore the obvious which is the centurians faith. What does the Bible say that faith equals? Is it righteousness per chance?
it proves nothing, says nothing and is practically irrelevant, the fact that Christ healed a centurions servant proves what? Zilch, try pick another straw whodey, or you may like to even comment upon the scriptures that i cited.
13 Dec 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieAs a JW, you would also have to condemn Joseph for being appointed viceroy in Egypt as being second only to the Pharaoh in Egypt. In addition, you would also have to condemn Daniel for being one of King Nebuchadnessar's closest personal advisors. Won't you join the JW"s in condemning these men to everlasting death based upon their worldy job titles? Or how about condemning King David for slaying Goliath and company?
3. “They refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . it was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—History of Christianity (New York, 1891), Edward Gibbon, pp. 162, 163.
13 Dec 10
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Originally posted by menace71This is what makes no sense whatsoever to me. I mean, you have a JW like Robbie saying that all government officials are all hell bound children of Beelzebub and at the same times singing the praises as socialists.
I think socialism in theory sounds great. No property all common. Perfect love for our fellow man. The problem is man!! The only one who can institute a perfect government will be God I think. Then true socialism will be. We will have no need for money. However in the current scheme of things socialism will never work. We have to pick the lesser of evils an ...[text shortened]... control on everything. The problem is man's greed in every form of government.
Manny
One thing I do wonder, however, how far down does condemnation come to those in government? I mean, is it only lawmakers or does it extend to police officers and civil servants or even post men?
13 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobie1. Christ was correct. If you render violence you beget violence. That is what happened to those Philisteans who confronted the nation of Israel as they hurled abominations at their God and demanded a confrontation. Most seemed to have cowered away except David.
scriptural evidence
1. Matt. 26:52: “Jesus said to him: ‘Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.’” (Could there have been any higher cause for which to fight than to safeguard the Son of God? Yet, Jesus here indicated that those disciples were not to resort to weapons of physical warfare.)
2. Isai ...[text shortened]... o do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.”
2. At some point there will be peace on the earth. Of course, you seem to have skimmed over Revelatoin as Christ returns with a sword to do battle.
3. Our warfare is NOT carnal just as God's battle against the Caananites was not carnal. This too was spiritual warfare even though carnal battle was waged at times. The end result, however, was the establishment of the Israeli nation which begat the Messiah.
4. You assume that killing people means you hate them. That is not always the truth. In fact, if you were a policeman and you were forced to shoot someone dead in order to save other lives I think it is safe to say that you did not hate him. Of course, I suppose that the policeman is no different from the soldier because they kill people from time to time.