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Originally posted by RJHindsthere are two angels named in scripture, Gabriel and Michael, there is one archangel
He will not ask me for He does not want to here the truth.
mentioned in scripture, Michael. Fact, no references to spurious verses or ancient
uninspired church fathers or Ethiopian texts changes this fact. This is truth.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell you have to be insane to think that God has only 2 angels, and only 1 archangel. The heavenly host numbers many billions.
there are two angels named in scripture, Gabriel and Michael, there is one archangel
mentioned in scripture, Michael. Fact, no references to spurious verses or ancient
uninspired church fathers or Ethiopian texts changes this fact. This is truth.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieif you stick to the bible and do not seek out scripture other than the ones collected together, then your learning is limited that is not what god wants for his works to be ignored the bible is the start [a good start] and for the seekers of truth then he has more
there are two angels named in scripture, Gabriel and Michael, there is one archangel
mentioned in scripture, Michael. Fact, no references to spurious verses or ancient
uninspired church fathers or Ethiopian texts changes this fact. This is truth.
Originally posted by Rajk999The first mention of an archangel is during Enoch's journey through Sheol (Hell)
Well you have to be insane to think that God has only 2 angels, and only 1 archangel. The heavenly host numbers many billions.
and Heaven. Enoch comes across a place where God had bound some angels for ten
thousand years because He was angry with them. And I quote:
And the archangel Uriel said to me, "Here shall stand the angels who have been
attached to women. Their spirits, assuming many different forms, are defiling
mankind and will lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods. Here
they shall stand till the day of the winds of Heaven which turn and bring the
circumference of the sun and all the stars to their setting."
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Originally posted by Rajk999I have stated that there are two named in scripture and one archangel. are you saying that its incorrect? accuracy was not your strong point Raj.
Well you have to be insane to think that God has only 2 angels, and only 1 archangel. The heavenly host numbers many billions.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat makes sense. The relevant scriptural passages within which you'll have to read 'worship' as 'bow down' or 'do obeisance' use the Greek term proskyneo. But there are a whole cartload of passages where this term is also used when Jesus is describing the proper attitude towards God (e.g., John 4:23,24). So could you help me understand why, in those passages in Hebrews, you'll want to translate proskyneo as 'bow down' or something similar? Are there any scriptural passages where you'll want to translate proskyneo as 'worship'?
Hi, yes this is clear, but its not really an issue because we do not profess that one
should worship Christ nor pray to him, in fact it seems that those doing so are
worshipping the creation rather than the creator. Worship of angels as always been
forbidden as far as i can discern, some refusing even to give their names lest it detract
from ...[text shortened]... , it suddenly becomes an act of worship. Its interesting to follow their bias in
this regard.
Originally posted by RJHindsno there is one archangel mention in scripture, his name is Micheal, there rest are
The first mention of an archangel is during Enoch's journey through Sheol (Hell)
and Heaven. Enoch comes across a place where God had bound some angels for ten
thousand years because He was angry with them. And I quote:
And the archangel Uriel said to me, "Here shall stand the angels who have been
attached to women. Their spirits, assuming many differ ...[text shortened]... eaven which turn and bring the
circumference of the sun and all the stars to their setting."
merely angels, you are lying, AGAIN. I an uninterested in your extra biblical claims i
am interested in what is in the Bible not what is not.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn your opening post, you are used this info to wrongly conclude that there is only ony archangel. Thats a false assumption.
I have stated that there are two named in scripture and one archangel. are you saying that its incorrect? accuracy was not your strong point Raj.
Originally posted by stokeri dont think so, i prefer the apostles words, do not go beyond what is written, we are drawing conclusions on the basis of what is in scripture, not from that which is not.
if you stick to the bible and do not seek out scripture other than the ones collected together, then your learning is limited that is not what god wants for his works to be ignored the bible is the start [a good start] and for the seekers of truth then he has more
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMichael is the Archangel of the fire element. I thought you knew all this. 😕
First i must apologise to Whodey who raised this question for it was asked in sincerity
(i think) and was met with a rather abrupt answer not becoming a servant of the
most high, therefore one shall endeavour to treat this with as much reasonableness
as is possible under the circumstances.
(Jude 9) But when Michael the archangel had a differe ...[text shortened]... o by that name since his return to heaven where he resides
as the glorified spirit Son of God.
Originally posted by bbarrConsistency should be kept throughout me thinks, and the reader should be allowed to
That makes sense. The relevant scriptural passages within which you'll have to read 'worship' as 'bow down' or 'do obeisance' use the Greek term proskyneo. But there are a whole cartload of passages where this term is also used when Jesus is describing the proper attitude towards God (e.g., John 4:23,24). So could you help me understand why, in those p ...[text shortened]... y scriptural passages where you'll want to translate proskyneo as 'worship'?
use their discernment whether an act of obeisance is one of worship or not. It seems
to me that to translate it inconsistently and to determine in some instances that its
obeisance and others that its worship is to impose ones bias upon scripture.
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat translation is that? The passage you're quoting is Chapter 19, Verse 1 of Enoch. But in none of the translations I've read has that verse started off with the term 'archangel'; they just say 'Uriel'.
The first mention of an archangel is during Enoch's journey through Sheol (Hell)
and Heaven. Enoch comes across a place where God had bound some angels for ten
thousand years because He was angry with them. And I quote:
And the archangel Uriel said to me, "Here shall stand the angels who have been
attached to women. Their spirits, assuming many differ ...[text shortened]... eaven which turn and bring the
circumference of the sun and all the stars to their setting."