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@kellyjay saidEven if there is an afterlife, a God who would put us through or allow us to go through such a variety of horrors before death seems like a cruel funhouse god, no matter how good the intentions.
We can kill to save life, or to steal and destroy due to hate. God gives life and takes it away unlike us He sees the beginning and the end. As He works things together as He sees fit, taking even the evil things done in this life for evil intent and turns them into good for His purposes.
If this life was it, it would be easier to grasp what is really important as we coul ...[text shortened]... he importance of all things and what was and was not important here because of our blinders we have.
@kevin-eleven saidRight before our eyes, we see what living a life of love is like, or selfishness, and
Even if there is an afterlife, a God who would put us through or allow us to go through such a variety of horrors before death seems like a cruel funhouse god, no matter how good the intentions.
we do most of the evil we see to ourselves and others around us. The thing about
God is He entered into our lives by becoming one of us and taking all of the things
that separate us onto Himself, our guilt for the evil we have done so that we could
be saved and goes through life with us when we turn to Him, so we are never
alone. We are told in this life we will have tribulation, but we are promised He
would never leave us or forsake us here.
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@kellyjay saidWhy would someone who "first meets Jesus in the afterlife on the day of judgment"... why would Jesus torture them in burning flames for eternity?
If someone first meets Jesus in the after life on the day of judgment, Jesus will say, “Depart from me I never knew you.” You have some Biblical refutation with that?
-Removed-I am familiar with these verses, you are applying them to mean there is no personal responsibility on our part before God, because He is knows the beginning from the end?
Do you mean God knowing us means that we automatically know God? So first contact with God is done before we are made, all the good and bad things we have done are meaningless with no accountability on anyone’s part but God?
I am not clear as to what you mean.
@kellyjay said'I am not clear as to what you mean' Welcome to the other side....As I've gleaned so far from our discussions, your god is only and always good, except when he's bad, he's in control of everything, all of the time, for eternity, but not really because since humanity has been in control (when did that happen?) we're making a right old mess of it, and sure, he makes people suffer horribly during life, but it's okay because these people aren't important to him. Oh yes, and once people are dead they don't have your god anyway, '...the god of the living, not the dead.' So much for a life of eternal bliss, then, and we also learn from you that a talking snake is the same as an airplane.
I am familiar with these verses, you are applying them to mean there is no personal responsibility on our part before God, because He is knows the beginning from the end?
Do you mean God knowing us means that we automatically know God? So first contact with God is done before we are made, all the good and bad things we have done are meaningless with no accountability on anyone’s part but God?
I am not clear as to what you mean.
Seems to me like reading the bible just gets you confused, and unable to put together any kind of coherent, intellectually or morally sustainable position.
@indonesia-phil saidGod is always good there are no exceptions to that. We where given the ability to walk as He directed us, and we choose not to and we are dealing with the results.
'I am not clear as to what you mean' Welcome to the other side....As I've gleaned so far from our discussions, your god is only and always good, except when he's bad, he's in control of everything, all of the time, for eternity, but not really because since humanity has been in control (when did that happen?) we're making a right old mess of it, and sure, he makes peop ...[text shortened]... ed, and unable to put together any kind of coherent, intellectually or morally sustainable position.