Originally posted by @thinkofone<<Actually ToO thinks that an individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin.>>
[b]ToO thinks a person cannot commit a single sin after accepting Christ.
Actually ToO thinks that an individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin. If you are going to speak for ToO, then get it right instead of continuing to dishonestly misrepresent what ToO has been saying.
Base ...[text shortened]... ails, it is a meaningless gesture according to the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.[/b]
And how is that different from what I said you believed? Do you believe a person after accepting Christ can commit a single sin and maintain his or her salvation?
<<If you are going to speak for ToO, then get it right instead of continuing to dishonestly misrepresent what ToO has been saying.>>
Better yet, try to be clearer in stating your positions on the rare occasions when you stop trolling long enough to do that.
Originally posted by @thinkofone<<BTW, there is disagreement amongst biblical scholars and bible translations as to whether John 3:16 was spoken by Jesus or was a comment by the narrator of John. In fact the disagreement includes all of John 3:13-21 as to when Jesus stops speaking and the narrator of John begins. Considering the whole of the gospel preached by Jesus and the shift to what would be an extremely awkward third person reference to Himself (amongst other reasons), it makes sense that it is the narrator of John.>>
When Jesus began His ministry, He declared the purpose for which He was "anointed" (see Luke 4):. The purpose for which He is the Christ. Christ means "anointed one".
1) To preach His gospel - These are the words He spoke while preaching His gospel during His ministry.
2) To give sight to the blind - To open the eyes of those blind to the will of God ...[text shortened]... on reference to Himself (amongst other reasons), it makes sense that it is the narrator of John.
What difference does this make? What difference does it make if John 3:16 was spoken by Jesus or written by John? Are you suggesting John, referred to as the Apostle whom Jesus loved, knew less about Jesus than you do?
Stop being ridiculous.
Originally posted by @romans1009You seriously are unable to understand the distinction between this...
<<Actually ToO thinks that an individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin.>>
And how is that different from what I said you believed? Do you believe a person after accepting Christ can commit a single sin and maintain his or her salvation?
<<If you are going to speak for ToO, then ge ...[text shortened]... r in stating your positions on the rare occasions when you stop trolling long enough to do that.
<<ToO thinks a person cannot commit a single sin after accepting Christ.>>
...and this?
<<ToO thinks that an individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin.>> .
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Originally posted by @romans1009As if ThinkOfOne needs to sit down with the Apostle John for a good hour and a half, and completely clear him up on what Jesus really did while He walked on earth during His ministry and what He really meant by the things He said.
<<BTW, there is disagreement amongst biblical scholars and bible translations as to whether John 3:16 was spoken by Jesus or was a comment by the narrator of John. In fact the disagreement includes all of John 3:13-21 as to when Jesus stops speaking and the narrator of John begins. Considering the whole of the gospel preached by Jesus and the shift to wh ...[text shortened]... to as the Apostle whom Jesus loved, knew less about Jesus than you do?
Stop being ridiculous.
Can't you see the Apostle John scratching his head afterwards - "How could I have gotten it SO wrong !?. Thanks ThinkOfOne. Let's round up the other 11 disciples and get them up to speed too on this."
Originally posted by @thinkofoneNot interested in being a victim of your trolling. It’s clear what I meant, and what I meant is reflected in one of many questions you refuse to answer.
You seriously are unable to understand the distinction between this...
<<ToO thinks a person cannot commit a single sin after accepting Christ.>>
...and this?
<<ToO thinks that an individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin.>> .
Here it is for about the 20th time:
“Do you believe a person after accepting Christ can commit a single sin and maintain his or her salvation?”
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIf an 'individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin,' and bearing in mind that almost every individual living on the planet is incapable of living a sin free life, are we therefore to conclude that Jesus came to let everyone know that nobody was going to live in the kingdom or have eternal life?
You seriously are unable to understand the distinction between this...
<<ToO thinks a person cannot commit a single sin after accepting Christ.>>
...and this?
<<ToO thinks that an individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin.>> .
Originally posted by @romans1009Give the trolling thing a rest. It's tiresome.
Not interested in being a victim of your trolling. It’s clear what I meant, and what I meant is reflected in one of many questions you refuse to answer.
Here it is for about the 20th time:
“Do you believe a person after accepting Christ can commit a single sin and maintain his or her salvation?”
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeAlso bearing in mind that Jesus Christ said being angry with someone was a sin and looking on a woman with lust in one’s heart was a sin.
If an 'individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin,' and bearing in mind that almost every individual living on the planet is incapable of living a sin free life, are we therefore to conclude that Jesus came to let everyone know that nobody was going to live in the kingdom or have eternal life?
And of course lying and coveting are sins as well.
Apparently, according to ToO, only those who accept Christ and die 20 seconds later get eternal life.
Plan your demise carefully!
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThat was one of the few times I referenced trolling and was being serious when I did it.
Give the trolling thing a rest. It's tiresome.
Originally posted by @romans1009You said to the ghost.
Also bearing in mind that Jesus Christ said being angry with someone was a sin and looking on a woman with lust in one’s heart was a sin.
And of course lying and coveting are sins as well.
Apparently, according to ToO, only those who accept Christ and die 20 seconds later get eternal life.
Plan your demise carefully!
Originally posted by @romans1009The boy who cried troll?
That was one of the few times I referenced trolling and was being serious when I did it.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeSeems you've asked a question Jesus was asked when He was preaching His gospel:
If an 'individual does not "live in the kingdom" nor have "eternal life" unless the individual no longer commits sin,' and bearing in mind that almost every individual living on the planet is incapable of living a sin free life, are we therefore to conclude that Jesus came to let everyone know that nobody was going to live in the kingdom or have eternal life?
Luke 13
23And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25“Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26“Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.’ 28“In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneTouché.
Seems you've asked a question Jesus was asked when He was preaching His gospel:
Luke 13
23And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25“Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, a ...[text shortened]... and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYeah, yet another passage wherein Jesus marks the dividing line for "living in the kingdom" / having "eternal life" as those who no longer commit sin.
Touché.
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemI take His teachings, dissect them, find the 'bait' (bout 1% ) and re-assemble the whole thing to reflect my soul
Do you not find it fulfilling to emulate Jesus and follow his teachings? If you do, welcome to the club.