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Did Jesus sin?

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OK so Jesus was human, too. So which commandments did he break.?

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@ogb said
OK so Jesus was human, too. So which commandments did he break.?
None

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@kellyjay said
None
“There is no one who is righteous, not even one” (Romans 3:10).

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If Jesus had sinned, He could only die for Himself.
He could not die as an atoning propitiatory sacrifice for all mankind.

If He sinned then He could only die because of His own sin.

He knew no sin. He never committed sin. He was normal - what God intended by "man" - sinless.

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I wrote about that Jesus was normal - what God originally intended by "man".

That is true. However, Jesus was not just sinless. He was gloriously right. He was not just without transgressions but good to a glorious and spectacular way that shattered human history.

He was (and is) righteous with radiant splendor.
Christ - gloriously righteous, not just sinless.

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@sonship said
If Jesus had sinned, He could only die for Himself.
He could not die as an atoning propitiatory sacrifice for all mankind.

If He sinned then He could only die because of His own sin.

He knew no sin. He never committed sin. He was normal - what God intended by "man" - sinless.
Would it be correct with you to say Jesus 'became' sin.

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@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Would it be correct with you to say Jesus 'became' sin.


Yes. And I have contemplated that and many many other things in the bible as well.

At present I determined that if God as the one who calls into being, says something is something, it is that something. What God pronounces cannot be unreality. And He would not pronounce a lie. He cannot lie.

And God said in His word not only that Christ became sin, but the believers become in Him the righteousness of GOD !!

"Him who did not know sin He made sin on our behalf that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Cor. 5:21)


I wish all people would remember the OTHER half of that passage. God made Christ sin on our behalf - so that we might become ... the righteousness of God in Him."


How would you all like to be pronounced by the justifying God of all the universe that you have been made in Him, the righteousness of God ?

God made Him sin that those who believe INTO Him would be the righteousness of God. The righteousness of God. THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.

"Lord Jesus, Thankyou forever, that I have been made, in You, the righteousness of God. Thankyou Lord. This more than I ever thought to even ask."

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@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Would it be correct with you to say Jesus 'became' sin.


Yes. And I have contemplated that and many many other things in the bible as well.

At present I determined that if God as the one who calls into being, says something is something, it is that something. What God pronounces cannot be unreality. And He would not pronounce a ...[text shortened]... de in You the righteousness of God." Thankyou Lord. This more than I ever thought to even ask." [/i]
How does a believer maintain that righteousness when further sin is unavoidable?

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@Ghost-of-a-Duke

How does a believer maintain that righteousness when further sin is unavoidable?


Confession as the light exposes more of your sinning.

If God showed us all at once exactly what we are we could not take it. The shock would be too much. As the natural child grows and encreases in consciousness so the spiritual child.

When he becomes aware of sinning he should confess and apply the blood of Christ immediately. He should not wait. He should as soon as he is aware that he has sinned, confess and believe the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

Deeper confession leads to deeper spiritual life.
Deeper spiritual life leads to brighter light.
Brighter light leads to deeper confession.
Which deeper confession and repentance lead to further growth.

This CYCLE continues all of the Christian's life unto either he dies or is alive to meet the Lord.

FMF is arguing with me about the realism of supernatural things. I would say without hesitation that the PEACE one has within their heart upon confessing and putting his sin under the blood of Jesus, is something supernatural.

I do not believe it is the product of any kind of self persuading psychology. It is of the Spirit of God. And the sense of peace and harmony with the justifying God is I think beyond the ability of human manufacturing.

Christ therefore frees from both the guilt of sin and the power of sin.
Christ gives something that the world cannot give.
And the world cannot take it away.

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
Would it be correct with you to say Jesus 'became' sin.
No. Sonship is mistaken, and you would be in error if you thought Jesus "became" sin.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

God "made" Jesus "to be sin".

"Became" and "made" are two vastly different things.

Made > poieō > to make.

Become > ginomai > to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being.

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@SecondSon

That is an interesting distinction which I think I should take some time to look into. It is safe to stay with the utterance of "was made sin" , I agree. It is safer for me to stick with the words Paul wrote. Thankyou.

How would you, though, reply if I were to ask you about Galatians 3:13 which says He having become a curse?

"Christ has redeemed us out of the curse of the law, having become a curse on our behalf; because it is written, Cursed is everyone hanging on a tree?" (Gal. 3:13)

Did God making Him a curse result in Him having become a curse ?

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@secondson said
No. Sonship is mistaken, and you would be in error if you thought Jesus "became" sin.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

God "made" Jesus "to be sin".

"Became" and "made" are two vastly different things.

Made > poieō > to make.

Become > ginomai > to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being.
Surely if Paul was correct and believers 'become' righteous then Jesus 'became' the representative embodiment of sin?

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
“There is no one who is righteous, not even one” (Romans 3:10).
Not surprising you see different gods from the OT and NT.

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@ogb said
OK so Jesus was human, too. So which commandments did he break.?
What a great Question.

I have to agree (not too often) with Divegeester.

Short answer = None

Jesus was "The Last Adam". One of the points of him coming to earth was to show that a perfect man could uphold the law of God, and therefore expecting Adam to stand fast was not unreasonable.

The main point of Jesus coming to earth was tied up in Levitical law "soul will be for soul" which I won't launch too much into, but is the rationale as to how Jesus surrendering his perfect life bought (Ransomer) the sinful condition of the rest of mankind.

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