@ogb saidIt can be argued that Jesus did not keep the Law of Moses and in those days that was considered a sin. In particular the keeping of the Sabbath was not done by Christ. There may be other violations of the Law of Moses that Jesus encouraged.
OK so Jesus was human, too. So which commandments did he break.?
Jesus was "The Last Adam". One of the points of him coming to earth was to show that a perfect man could uphold the law of God, and therefore expecting Adam to stand fast was not unreasonable.
The tenth commandment is "You shall not covet ...". That is such a commandment against the thought life that no living man can say he has never wanted jealously, enviously, coveted. All are guilty.
Christ was totally satisfied in His Father. He kept essence of the commandment that He loved His Father with all His soul, all His strength, all His mind, and all His heart and entire being. It is evident that because His Father was supreme and He was totally satisfied in Him that he never coveted because the BEST He was never without - His Father.
It is true that Jesus intentionally did things on the Sabbath. He healed people on the Sabbath. But the essence of REST was what He brought to people on the Sabbath that day of rest. No rest was as deep and meaningful as the rest of being rescued by God.
If we believe the Bible we have to believe Christ was a perfect man. But to read through the Gospels again and try to find Hims sinning is a challenge well worth attempting.
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@rajk999 saidJesus was and is the Lord of the Sabbath He didn't break it.
It can be argued that Jesus did not keep the Law of Moses and in those days that was considered a sin. In particular the keeping of the Sabbath was not done by Christ. There may be other violations of the Law of Moses that Jesus encouraged.
@kellyjay saidThis is a very good example of how you Christians twist and cherry pick the bible. Here we have the Pharisees making two accusations
Jesus was and is the Lord of the Sabbath He didn't break it.
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. (John 5:18 KJV)
1. That Jesus broke the Sabbath
2. That Jesus made himself equal to God
The first one because it suits your purpose, you claim that it is not true.
The second because it suits your purpose you say that one is true.
@rajk999 saidSo you deny that Jesus is sinless and is God?
This is a very good example of how you Christians twist and cherry pick the bible. Here we have the Pharisees making two accusations
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. (John 5:18 KJV)
1. That Jesus broke the Sabbath
2. That Jesus made h ...[text shortened]... , you claim that it is not true.
The second because it suits your purpose you say that one is true.
@rajk999 saidNeither is true due to my purposes; they are both correct because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He is God.
This is a very good example of how you Christians twist and cherry pick the bible. Here we have the Pharisees making two accusations
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. (John 5:18 KJV)
1. That Jesus broke the Sabbath
2. That Jesus made h ...[text shortened]... , you claim that it is not true.
The second because it suits your purpose you say that one is true.
@kellyjay saidWould you class anger or lying as sinful?
So you deny that Jesus is sinless and is God?
Before you answer, maybe review John 7:8, Matthew 21:12, Matthew 21:18–22.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNot anger, you can be angry and sin not, lying is a sin.
Would you class anger or lying as sinful?
Before you answer, maybe review John 7:8, Matthew 21:12, Matthew 21:18–22.
Quote your scripture in context that proves your point, since I don't think you know the first thing about scripture being given anything by you is meaningless to me.
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@rajk999 saidNo, Jesus did not break the Sabbath.
It can be argued that Jesus did not keep the Law of Moses and in those days that was considered a sin. In particular the keeping of the Sabbath was not done by Christ. There may be other violations of the Law of Moses that Jesus encouraged.
What Jesus did was infuriarate them by healing on the Sabbath, as Jesus later commented on what the Sabbath was really all about. Not healing on the Sabbath was not what keeping the Sabbath was all about.
In other words, those who sought to find wrong with him attacked him with the letter of the law while ignoring the spirit of the law which they cared nothing about. We see this many times here at RHP, don't we.
Luke 13:10-17 New Living Translation (NLT)
Jesus Heals on the Sabbath
10 One Sabbath day as Jesus was teaching in a synagogue, 11 he saw a woman who had been crippled by an evil spirit. She had been bent double for eighteen years and was unable to stand up straight. 12 When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said, “Dear woman, you are healed of your sickness!” 13 Then he touched her, and instantly she could stand straight. How she praised God!
14 But the leader in charge of the synagogue was indignant that Jesus had healed her on the Sabbath day. “There are six days of the week for working,” he said to the crowd. “Come on those days to be healed, not on the Sabbath.”
15 But the Lord replied, “You hypocrites! Each of you works on the Sabbath day! Don’t you untie your ox or your donkey from its stall on the Sabbath and lead it out for water? 16 This dear woman, a daughter of Abraham, has been held in bondage by Satan for eighteen years. Isn’t it right that she be released, even on the Sabbath?”
17 This shamed his enemies, but all the people rejoiced at the wonderful things he did.
@kellyjay saidI spent several years studying scripture Kelly, but if you wish to dismiss any knowledge I have as meaningless that is your prerogative. (I guess).
Not anger, you can be angry and sin not, lying is a sin.
Quote your scripture in context that proves your point, since I don't think you know the first thing about scripture being given anything by you is meaningless to me.
In John 7 Jesus appears to lie to his brothers about attending the Festival of Tabernacles. (Tells them he isn't going, but then goes in secret).
"You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.” After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee. However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.'
Please explain why this was not a case of Jesus telling a lie?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYear's of study and you still managed to miss the God who is here, and even managed to be confused about there being One God in the Scriptures, isn’t a strong case for your grasp of the Word of God.
I spent several years studying scripture Kelly, but if you wish to dismiss any knowledge I have as meaningless that is your prerogative. (I guess).
In John 7 Jesus appears to lie to his brothers about attending the Festival of Tabernacles. (Tells them he isn't going, but then goes in secret).
"You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, becaus ...[text shortened]... lso, not publicly, but in secret.'
Please explain why this was not a case of Jesus telling a lie?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidJesus went when led as He always did, just because He didn't go one minute, does not mean that He was not led the next.
I spent several years studying scripture Kelly, but if you wish to dismiss any knowledge I have as meaningless that is your prerogative. (I guess).
In John 7 Jesus appears to lie to his brothers about attending the Festival of Tabernacles. (Tells them he isn't going, but then goes in secret).
"You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, becaus ...[text shortened]... lso, not publicly, but in secret.'
Please explain why this was not a case of Jesus telling a lie?
@kellyjay saidPerhaps a more knowledgable Christian will help you to better address the question.
Jesus went when led as He always did, just because He didn't go one minute, does not mean that He was not led the next.
"You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.” After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee. However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.'
Please explain why this was not a case of Jesus telling a lie?