-Removed-Thank you.
But I explained why I disagreed with some of your advice. That means the discussion moves forward, with additional posts.
I gave you personal reasons why that verse doesn't apply to me, and your only response was about self pity. Again, I'm doing okay, and do NOT feel sorry for myself at all. I just disagree strongly with that verse being applied to anyone but the Jewish exiles it was told to.
May I ask a question that comes to mind when reading this OP? When we think about our salvation is it due to us or Christ? If it is Christ then isn’t every Christian as righteous as the next no matter what? Wouldn’t that only be true, if we are seriously putting our faith Jesus Christ?
The differences between us, is not due to who is more righteous in ourselves. If this is not true, then Christ is not who we are putting our faith in for our salvation, but our own efforts.
We are not to bite and devour one another, instead love one another. I can only assume as we forgive those who harm us most, and all else, we display our obedience in doing that which our old nature would refuse to do. If we forgive those who harm us in both reality and our imaginations, and ask that God not hold any slight against us those who harm us to their account, we can experience what God gives us for our sins, grace and forgiveness.
What is our desire and motivation here, to one up another or serve the Lord?
@kellyjay saidAre you trying to say that Dive needs to repent, and change his ways?
May I ask a question that comes to mind when reading this OP? When we think about our salvation is it due to us or Christ? If it is Christ then isn’t every Christian as righteous as the next no matter what? Wouldn’t that only be true, if we are seriously putting our faith Jesus Christ?
The differences between us, is not due to who is more righteous in ourselves. If this i ...[text shortened]... ace and forgiveness.
What is our desire and motivation here, to one up another or serve the Lord?
If so, I'm with you brother.
@chaney3 saidI am not calling anyone out by name! We were all bought with a price we are not our own. I have done wrong to others here, shouldn’t our concern be put no obstacles infront of anyone? And if we are to love others should we not forgive others who cause us harm, for their sake not because they deserve it, but because Jesus does! If we hold on to sins against us doesn’t God tell us we will not be forgiven? I think this requires God’s help, our human nature is completely at odds with God’s Spirit to obey Him in such things.
Are you trying to say that Dive needs to repent, and change his ways?
If so, I'm with you brother.
@chaney3 saidlol.
I'm a better Christian than Dive.
the defence of the hapless.
Doesn't matter what you say about yourself. You have to show us, not tell us
@divegeester
I do not think that absolute doctrinal perfection is necessary for salvation. However, I am completely incapable of deciding such a thing. It's not my role.
I do know that leading people astray and preaching false doctrine that detracts from the true church is wrong.
Yet, who knows.
I hope you give up your heresy.
@philokalia saidWhat will be the consequence for him, in your view, if he doesn't give up what you call his "heresy"?
I hope you give up your heresy.