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    Watchtower July 2011
    "Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease, you would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are 'mentally diseased', and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings."

    I am wondering if our regular JW's here (Galveston and robbie carrobie) agree with their organisations description of ex-witness as being "mentally diseased"?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/war-of-words-breaks-out-among-jehovahs-witnesses-2361448.html
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    28 Apr '12 20:28
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Watchtower July 2011
    "Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease, you would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are 'mentally diseased', and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings."

    I am wondering if our regula ...[text shortened]... ent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/war-of-words-breaks-out-among-jehovahs-witnesses-2361448.html
    Did this one already about a year ago. After some to-ing and fro-ing both galveston and RC conceded that it was best to stay away from apostates and that they are in fact mentally diseased.

    Next Topic 🙂
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    28 Apr '12 20:47
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Did this one already about a year ago. After some to-ing and fro-ing both galveston and RC conceded that it was best to stay away from apostates and that they are in fact mentally diseased.

    Next Topic 🙂
    I missed that one. Must be my diseased brain I guess.
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    28 Apr '12 21:11
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    both galveston and RC conceded that it was best to stay away from apostates and that they are in fact mentally diseased.
    Predictable, but nonetheless disappointing.
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    28 Apr '12 23:201 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Predictable, but nonetheless disappointing.
    It is probable good to know them and their beliefs so we can not only predict their actions, but also, to be able to avoid being sucked in to their false beliefs.
    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
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    29 Apr '12 00:28
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    It is probable good to know them and their beliefs so we can not only predict their actions, but also, to be able to avoid being sucked in to their false beliefs.
    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
    ...said the man sucked into a false belief.
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    29 Apr '12 07:141 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Did this one already about a year ago. After some to-ing and fro-ing both galveston and RC conceded that it was best to stay away from apostates and that they are in fact mentally diseased.

    Next Topic 🙂
    Its rather interesting and somewhat ironic that a member of my immediate family
    suffers from a mental illness and has been recommended by professionally qualified
    health specialists to keep attending the Kingdom hall as it provides interaction and
    avoids isolation. Then again they dont have a motive, unlike these disgruntled ex
    witnesses, do they. Your absolutely correct, it is best to simply ignore apostates,


    (Jude 12-13) . . . These are the rocks hidden below water in your love feasts while
    they feast with you, shepherds that feed themselves without fear; waterless clouds
    carried this way and that by winds; trees in late autumn, [but] fruitless, having died
    twice, having been uprooted;  wild waves of the sea that foam up their own causes
    for shame; stars with no set course, for which the blackness of darkness stands
    reserved forever.
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    29 Apr '12 08:163 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    ...unlike these disgruntled ex witnesses, do they. Your absolutely correct, it is best to simply ignore apostates
    Why are ex-witnesses always "disgruntled" when you write about them? Have you ever considered that they may be very happy and in a state of good mental health.

    It is difficult to see how you would have any notion of their disposition considering you "shun" them and are not permitted to read anything they write.
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    What characteristics identify apostates as distinct from true Christians?

    An apostasy among professed Christians was foretold by the apostle Paul at 2 Thessalonians 2:3. He specifically mentioned certain apostates, such as Hymenaeus, Alexander, and Philetus. (1Ti 1:19, 20; 2Ti 2:16-19) Among the varied causes of apostasy set forth in apostolic warnings were: lack of faith (Heb 3:12), lack of endurance in the face of persecution (Heb 10:32-39), abandonment of right moral standards (2Pe 2:15-22), the heeding of the “counterfeit words” of false teachers and “misleading inspired utterances” (2Pe 2:1-3; 1Ti 4:1-3; 2Ti 2:16-19; compare Pr 11:9), and trying “to be declared righteous by means of law” (Ga 5:2-4). While still making profession of faith in God’s Word, apostates may forsake his service by treating lightly the preaching and teaching work that he assigned to followers of Jesus Christ. (Lu 6:46; Mt 24:14; 28:19, 20) They may also claim to serve God but reject his representatives, his visible organization, and then turn to ‘beating’ their former associates to hinder their work. (Jude 8, 11; Nu 16:19-21; Mt 24:45-51) Apostates often seek to make others their followers. (Ac 20:30; 2Pe 2:1, 3) Such ones willfully abandoning the Christian congregation thereby become part of the “antichrist.” (1Jo 2:18, 19) As with the apostate Israelites, destruction is likewise foretold for apostates from the Christian congregation.—2Pe 2:1; Heb 6:4-8.

    Rad the scriptures quoted if you are really interested in learning what apostasy is and why a true Christian would avoid any association with such a person...
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    29 Apr '12 15:04
    Originally posted by galveston75
    What characteristics identify apostates as distinct from true Christians?

    An apostasy among professed Christians was foretold by the apostle Paul at 2 Thessalonians 2:3. He specifically mentioned certain apostates, such as Hymenaeus, Alexander, and Philetus. (1Ti 1:19, 20; 2Ti 2:16-19) Among the varied causes of apostasy set forth in apostolic warnin ...[text shortened]... ning what apostasy is and why a true Christian would avoid any association with such a person...
    Your organisation completely misses the whole point of the Gospel; one of mercy, forgiveness, the willingness to turn the other cheek for the sake of that Gospel, disciplining with the 'prodigal son' example, demonstrating true love, understanding everlasting truth, bring folk into peace and Christ's rest. You cling to the instructions given to you by your 'governing body' which unaware by you, drive a wedge between yourselves and the humanity you want to reach. In doing so you have everything internal to cling to, but nothing external to offer a spiritually starved world.
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    29 Apr '12 16:111 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Your organisation completely misses the whole point of the Gospel; one of mercy, forgiveness, the willingness to turn the other cheek for the sake of that Gospel, disciplining with the 'prodigal son' example, demonstrating true love, understanding everlasting truth, bring folk into peace and Christ's rest. You cling to the instructions given to you by y everything internal to cling to, but nothing external to offer a spiritually starved world.
    I can tell by your comment that you did not read those scriptures and get their meaning.

    If someone killed your wife and by all things they say and promise you, they will also kill the rest of your family and kill you too, why would you do as you say we should do and forgive and let them come into your house and live with you?
    Just an example but read those scriptures and then think about this question.......
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    29 Apr '12 16:22
    While I'm conflicted with the JW's doctrinally but imagine if mainstream Western Christianity had the same zeal as the JW's do? (I know I'm stereotyping a bit here) but R.C. does have a point about for example the Church down the street when have they ever come and knocked on my door? It's in my neighborhood I can walk to them. I've had JW's knock here several times now in the last year. I don't open to spare them and myself arguing LOL but it's case and point.


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    I am an apostate with respect to Christianity. I am glad my family does not hold to the doctrine of the JWs, or else they probably would never want to see me again. To me this is one of the saddest aspects of the JW faith; the splitting of families along religious lines. I have heard of two cases where this idea of shunning apostates has been extended to family members who fail to convert to the faith with the rest of the family.
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    29 Apr '12 16:24
    Originally posted by galveston75
    I can tell by your comment that you did not read those scriptures and get their meaning.

    If someone killed your wife and by all things they say and promise you, they will also kill the rest of your family and kill you too, why would you do as you say we should do and forgive and let them come into your house and live with you?
    Just an example but read those scriptures and then think about this question.......
    If a person could do just as you have said they are truly living by the words of Christ





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    29 Apr '12 16:37
    Originally posted by menace71
    While I'm conflicted with the JW's doctrinally but imagine if mainstream Western Christianity had the same zeal as the JW's do? (I know I'm stereotyping a bit here) but R.C. does have a point about for example the Church down the street when have they ever come and knocked on my door? It's in my neighborhood I can walk to them. I've had JW's knock here seve ...[text shortened]... I don't open to spare them and myself arguing LOL but it's case and point.


    Manny
    I've had the local tree surgeon company call on my door more times than anyone else, perhaps I should join them?
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