Ex JWs are mentaly diseased ...?

Originally posted by galveston75
What you don't get and the picture you are painting is so completely wrong and it shows by your comments. Your only seeing "one side" of the story and a wise person might just realize that in any given situation there are two side, so think on that as your spouting off and condemning something you do not know anything about.
Every situation that happen ...[text shortened]... tly last resort.
Maybe you just might learn something new today if you even care........

I have been reading the posts of yourself and Robbie in response to divegeester and what I saw was someone being attacked with passages from the bible, and neither of you addressing the actual concern that the effect of dis-fellowship can be the breaking up of a family.

Now I am sure you will be able to post a passage from the bible which you feel supports this action, but once again it is a bit cultish to act as if you are in a social vacuum and isolate yourself from the accepted code of conduct of your host society.

Can I assume that the findings of these Elders are published within the congregation and the accused has a right to defend him or her self, furthermore the thread was addressing the treatment of apostates not criminals and apart from the sheer immorality of the punishment it indicates a very fragile belief system that cannot expose itself to non adherence even to point of having to break up a family unit rather than risk 'contamination'.

During the eighties a J.W couple called Bob and Margaret would pop into our house for sit down and a cup of tea whenever they were doorstepping our area, they did not overtly try and convert us and I am pretty sure we did not infect them or weaken their faith in any way; the point is I honestly cannot reconcile their attitude to people outwith their congregation with attitudes displayed in Divegeester's story and you and robbies response to it.

Originally posted by galveston75
Well thanks for realizing that a congregation does indeed have to disfellowship if needed but it is only a last resort. I have had both my son and daughter disfellowshipped many years ago and of course it not only hurt our family but it brought great pain to the elders that were involved. We all have great love for one another and it hurt them greatly as of this point yet. But it no doubt would lead to this person being disfellowshipped eventually.

I feel very sorry for your family situation; you realise of course that young people are inclined want to find their own way in the world and not be dictated to. Whether or not you are on speaking/socialising terms your children is your business, my critique is of the organisation you belong to, it's not personal.

You are still confusing walking away from your organisation with walking away from God, the two things are simply not the same thing; believing they are is an example of the cult mind-set. You believe a person cannot serve God unless they are a member of your organisation, this is cult thinking - the organisation has become more important than god than, the individual than the family unit. This is the same as any cult; it's not an insult, it's just what the organisation has become.

Substitute the word 'organisation' with the word 'cult' and read my post again.

My sincere sympathies with the estrangement from your children.

Originally posted by galveston75
Well thanks for realizing that a congregation does indeed have to disfellowship if needed but it is only a last resort. I have had both my son and daughter disfellowshipped many years ago and of course it not only hurt our family but it brought great pain to the elders that were involved. We all have great love for one another and it hurt them greatly as ...[text shortened]... of this point yet. But it no doubt would lead to this person being disfellowshipped eventually.

When that happend it was an extrememly joyous time for all in the congregation and obviously for me and the rest of my family.

Can I just check: do you mean the dis-fellowshiping brought a time of great joy for the congregation and your family?

Originally posted by divegeester

When that happend it was an extrememly joyous time for all in the congregation and obviously for me and the rest of my family.

Can I just check: do you mean the dis-fellowshiping brought a time of great joy for the congregation and your family?

"BUT it was a punishment that was needed and as a result the hoped for results did happen as with anyone who understands the wrong they did and accepts the correction and does what is needed to be reinstated back into the congregation.
When that happend it was an extrememly joyous time for all in the congregation and obviously for me and the rest of my family. "

Originally posted by galveston75
Well thanks for realizing that a congregation does indeed have to disfellowship if needed but it is only a last resort. I have had both my son and daughter disfellowshipped many years ago and of course it not only hurt our family but it brought great pain to the elders that were involved. We all have great love for one another and it hurt them greatly as ...[text shortened]... of this point yet. But it no doubt would lead to this person being disfellowshipped eventually.

If the Elders of the Watch Tower Organisation are as strict with punishing their own failure, the same way they are strict with punishing the failures of the congregation, then there would cease to be an organisation entirely. They would have to disfellowship themselves !

Since inception they have made FAILED PROPHESIES BY THE THOUSANDS, made wrong statements by the hundreds, dozens of bad decisions, caused followers to sell property in the expectation of the return of Christ, even built a house for resurrected prophets of the Old Testament. The Elders have failed in just about everything.

How can they ever be Gods Organisation ?

Originally posted by divegeester
I feel very sorry for your family situation; you realise of course that young people are inclined want to find their own way in the world and not be dictated to. Whether or not you are on speaking/socialising terms your children is your business, my critique is of the organisation you belong to, it's not personal.

You are still confusing walking away ...[text shortened]... nd read my post again.

My sincere sympathies with the estrangement from your children.

No I am not estranged from my children. As I explained they took the council after an amount of time passed and realized they had not responded in a heartfelt way with remorse of their sins they had committed. If they had been remorseful when the original meeting with the elders happened, they may not have been disfellowshipped. It is not an automatic thing to happen.
But thru much prayer to God, referring to the needed scriptures and with seeing how the one who has sinned is responding to council, one may be or may not be disfellowshipped just as the examples are in the Bible of the early Christian congregations directed by Jesus and the Apostles. We are doing nothing different then what they did then.

And a couple more comments. This is not a cult of any kind or I would not be involved in it. No one controls our minds and if it is not in the Bible we do not teach or practice it. We constant examine the scriptures in our own Bibles and if we see something we do not understand, we are free to question that with any Brother in the Kingdom Hall. The example of disfellowshipping is one. It is in the Bible and was done then just as we do now. It is not the JW's that are not following the Bible, it is all other religions that do not follow this command and have swept this direct command in the bible under the rug and pretty much allow their members to do anything they want as long as they pay their dues to the church.

And secondly we do not ever tear any families apart. That is the last thing any normal human being would want. We all love each other dearly and try in every way to help when we see anyone going a wrong direction, especially one in our own family.
But if anyone tears a family apart, it is always the one who has been disfellowshipped and has refused to see and understand the scriptures in their own Bible and had turned their back on our belief. We would never tear anyone away from our families but as the Bible says, the TRUTH would divide families.

Originally posted by Rajk999
If the Elders of the Watch Tower Organisation are as strict with punishing their own failure, the same way they are strict with punishing the failures of the congregation, then there would cease to be an organisation entirely. They would have to disfellowship themselves !

Since inception they have made FAILED PROPHESIES BY THE THOUSANDS, made wrong statem ...[text shortened]... nt. The Elders have failed in just about everything.

How can they ever be Gods Organisation ?

You know nothing about the JW's and it shows everytime you spout off. " Get away from me Satan"......

Originally posted by divegeester

When that happend it was an extrememly joyous time for all in the congregation and obviously for me and the rest of my family.

Can I just check: do you mean the dis-fellowshiping brought a time of great joy for the congregation and your family?

No.... It was when they were reinstated. Read what I wrote again.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
I have been reading the posts of yourself and Robbie in response to divegeester and what I saw was someone being attacked with passages from the bible, and neither of you addressing the actual concern that the effect of dis-fellowship can be the breaking up of a family.

Now I am sure you will be able to post a passage from the bible which you feel suppo ...[text shortened]... gregation with attitudes displayed in Divegeester's story and you and robbies response to it.

Read your Bible if you have one as we follow the examples of the early congregations laid out by Jesus and the apostles.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
I have been reading the posts of yourself and Robbie in response to divegeester and what I saw was someone being attacked with passages from the bible, and neither of you addressing the actual concern that the effect of dis-fellowship can be the breaking up of a family.

Now I am sure you will be able to post a passage from the bible which you feel suppo ...[text shortened]... gregation with attitudes displayed in Divegeester's story and you and robbies response to it.

We are only human and when lies and clear untruths are posted we just might respond as any human would, with anger and defense.

Perhaps if the ones attacking would simply ask in a decent way how we do things, we might just answer in a non defensive way????????

Originally posted by galveston75
You know nothing about the JW's and it shows everytime you spout off. " Get away from me Satan"......

If you flip his name around it reads, "666Kjar" 😛

Originally posted by whodey
If you flip his name around it reads, "666Kjar" 😛

I've known that for a long time. If he were truly a Christian he would not respond the way he does or lie like he does. No love or kindness shown by him on any level to anyone here, not just the JW's.
And I have tried many times for years now to draw him into many discussions on a desent Christian and adult level and never works.
That man has a lot of hatred in his heart for everyone and everything that I can see.

Originally posted by galveston75
Read your Bible if you have one as we follow the examples of the early congregations laid out by Jesus and the apostles.

The early Apostles and the followers sold all that they had shared it among the congregation as they had need. JWs dont do that.

Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.(Acts 4:34-35)

Christ instituted his holy supper and the Apostles met weekly to break bread and drink wine in remembrance of Christ. The JWs do not do that.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them..

You are a liar.

Originally posted by galveston75
I've known that for a long time. If he were truly a Christian he would not respond the way he does or lie like he does. No love or kindness shown by him on any level to anyone here, not just the JW's.
And I have tried many times for years now to draw him into many discussions on a desent Christian and adult level and never works.
That man has a lot of hatred in his heart for everyone and everything that I can see.

Looking for love and kindness on the internet pal?
Boy you are screwed up 😀

Originally posted by Rajk999
Looking for love and kindness on the internet pal?
Boy you are screwed up 😀

Jesus said you would know his follwers by their love among themselves which you are totally clueless of.
I expect nothing more of you then what you give to anyone and that is disgust of all humanity and you know it.