@thinkofone saidRead the text yourself, first couple of chapters will be all it takes. Do you see man made from animals, or was man and woman made in completely different manner? You want to say these text don't mean what they say too?
Can you elaborate on this?
As it stands, it seems likely that you're conflating YOUR interpretation of the Bible with God's word.
@kellyjay saidLike I said, it seems likely that you're conflating YOUR interpretation of the Bible with God's word.
Read the text yourself, first couple of chapters will be all it takes. Do you see man made from animals, or was man and woman made in completely different manner? You want to say these text don't mean what they say too?
The Bible is heavily steeped in metaphor. What makes you so certain that the verses that you take extremely literally weren't intended to be taken figuratively?
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@suzianne saidWell you are wrong on what we, JW's, believe. We are not what some call "young earth" believers and have never been. The bible does use the word "days" to describe how creation was not all done at once but was done is stages. But we do not know how long those days were, the bible does not say.
Let me ask you something.
Do you think that God is so limited that, in order to create something new, he absolutely HAS to just wave a magic wand and "poof" it into existence because he so lacks any imagination to do it ANY other way? Why do you so limit God?
You do understand that time doesn't mean anything to God, right? 14.5 billion years to bring the universe to today, but you guys think it could only be 6000 years because God is on some kind of deadline?
So it could have taken thousands of years or hundreds of thousand of years.
And yes I do totally understand that God's timetables are different then humans as we only live for 100 years or less where as Jehovah has been in existence forever. That is hard to grasp but the bible is clear on that.
Also I do not limit Jehovah on a single thing. Just looking out at night and seeing stars that we could never ever fly to in our lifetime humbles me immensely especially with each new telescope looking out farther and farther it should humble anyone.
Let me know if I can answer anything else about what we believe....
@sonship saidOkey dokey. Thought you might be able to shed some light on why you, G75, KJ, et al. are so opposed to educating yourselves. Pride seems to be the likely culprit.
@ThinkOfOne
Bored with you and moved on. You don't have to c'mon with me.
Stay there if you like.
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@kellyjay saidThere are 52 cards in a deck and 4 possible combinations which constitute a royal flush. The probability of being dealt a royal flush is 1 in 649,740 hands. That means that if 1,299,480 hands are dealt, there will probably be 2 royal flushes, and if 2,598,960 hands are dealt, there will probably be 4, and so on. Here's a link explaining the math:
BS
https://www.thoughtco.com/probability-of-being-dealt-a-royal-flush-3126173
Now extend that idea to chemistry: there are 104 elements. If they are 'shuffled' enough times, every possible combination will eventually occur, just like shuffling cards at poker. It's not BS.
For those who think that complexity cannot come about without divine intervention, here is the evidence that it does:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/25/world/hubble-soccer-balls-in-space-scn-trnd/index.html
Complex carbon molecules form spontaneously even in interstellar space. It's not BS.
Life is the royal flush of chemistry.
@thinkofone saidVewy twu. I dun't knows whut it sez!!!!! Itz vewy herd fur mee 2 undastands! Yur smarts...
The truth is that your reading comprehension skills ARE so poor that earlier you cited an article that speaks strongly against that which you are trying to prove.
True or not true?
@moonbus saidActually there are considerably more naturally occurring elements. During the various astronomical events that create elements heavier than iron all sorts of exotic elements are produced. What we mean by "naturally occurring" is occurring on Earth, so stuff with half lives significantly less than 1Gyr or so isn't found - the exception being things like carbon 14 which is generated in the upper atmosphere.
PS depending on how you count, there are either 118 elements, or 98 naturally occurring elements. But the math is the same either way: every combination occurs with a known probability.
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@DeepThought
The exact number is not the point. The point is, they will eventually combine without divine intervention. There is no evidence that God's hand micromanages electrons. However, this is how the Vatican tries to have it both ways: Roman Catholicism has officially, grudgingly, admitted that evolution really happened, it is not just a theory, but that God's hand 'guides' it. This of course fails to understand the point of evolution as a theory, namely that it works without divine intervention, completely based on natural laws. In any case, there is no evidence that God's hand manipulates genetic mutations.
@moonbus saidNice explanation, well-said.
There are 52 cards in a deck and 4 possible combinations which constitute a royal flush. The probability of being dealt a royal flush is 1 in 649,740 hands. That means that if 1,299,480 hands are dealt, there will probably be 2 royal flushes, and if 2,598,960 hands are dealt, there will probably be 4, and so on. Here's a link explaining the math:
https://www.thoughtco.com/ ...[text shortened]... form spontaneously even in interstellar space. It's not BS.
Life is the royal flush of chemistry.
@galveston75 saidMy main point here is that how do you know that God's mechanic for creating the diversity of life we see today was not evolution?
Well you are wrong on what we, JW's, believe. We are not what some call "young earth" believers and have never been. The bible does use the word "days" to describe how creation was not all done at once but was done is stages. But we do not know how long those days were, the bible does not say.
So it could have taken thousands of years or hundreds of thousand of years ...[text shortened]... rther it should humble anyone.
Let me know if I can answer anything else about what we believe....
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@moonbus saidYou are treating this as if it were a combination lock, not as chemical reactions!
There are 52 cards in a deck and 4 possible combinations which constitute a royal flush. The probability of being dealt a royal flush is 1 in 649,740 hands. That means that if 1,299,480 hands are dealt, there will probably be 2 royal flushes, and if 2,598,960 hands are dealt, there will probably be 4, and so on. Here's a link explaining the math:
https://www.thoughtco.com/ ...[text shortened]... form spontaneously even in interstellar space. It's not BS.
Life is the royal flush of chemistry.
The lock means there is correct sequence that is not true with chemical reactions with a limited number of chemicals and endless time. The reactions begin and your limited number of chemicals will react and they will alter themselves into something else reducing your number of chemicals as time goes on. If you had the proper chemicals at the start that doesn't mean you get to keep them.
You also have to have all of the proper conditions in place as the reactions occur, having them combine in a environment to hot or cold makes it all meaningless, or any other show stopper in place.
Did you watch the videos in the science forum "A bio genesis" I recommend the first one to you. He is kind of dry but it will not take to long for you to see why this isn't as simple as a deck of cards.
@suzianne saidDNA is a genetic code and its complexity dwarf out ability to understand it along with several other things about life. The size of DNA length turns the odds on random combinations odds down so low even with all the time in the universe given to make some of the simpler things occur about life beyond realistic.
My main point here is that how do you know that God's mechanic for creating the diversity of life we see today was not evolution?
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@galveston75 saidYou posted the following:
Vewy twu. I dun't knows whut it sez!!!!! Itz vewy herd fur mee 2 undastands! Yur smarts...
I wanted to ask has anyone checked this out? Again if evolution can happen, explain this.......
https://ncse.com/cej/2/1/bombardier-beetle-myth-exploded
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No takers? No answers? No theory's?
The fact of the matter is that that article speaks strongly against that which you are trying to prove.
The fact of the matter is that your reading comprehension skills are so poor that you cited that article thinking that it bolsters your argument.
Would it really kill you to admit the truth?
Why do so many Christians hate truth so much?
@suzianne saidSo are we straight on those other points? If you knew more about us, you know what we believe, it might help you a little in our discussions. Just a thought.
My main point here is that how do you know that God's mechanic for creating the diversity of life we see today was not evolution?
Well the wording in the Bible says many many times that he created humans, animals, etc. He also said his son Jesus was the first of all creations. So just using logic and comparing these two statements in the Bible about being created, it wouldn't make sense that if it took hundreds of thousands of year to let life evolve on earth, then would that same thinking be applied to Jesus and his being created by his Father. The bible says created in all it's explaining how life came to be.