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Originally posted by Eladar
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Why do you complain if you don't believe it is true? Do you need to control what others believe?
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Thanks for the question. I don't share the belief, obviously. But maybe the belief is true!

So I look at both possibilities. Too bad you bible-thumpers aren't able to do that.

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Originally posted by KellyJay
So what are you doing jumping up and down telling God to throw you in hell here?
My culture is steeped in your bs. I gotta get energetic to defend myself.

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About satan in christian myth. There are always at least two sides to every story, this is known. And yet christians are happy to be told only one side.

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Originally posted by apathist
My culture is [b]steeped in your bs. I gotta get energetic to defend myself.[/b]
Personally, I don't see a reason why you would feel a need to "defend yourself".

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Originally posted by Suzianne
Personally, I don't see a reason why you would feel a need to "defend yourself".
It feels good when I encounter people who see past your rhetoric.

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Originally posted by Suzianne
Personally, I don't see a reason why you would feel a need to "defend yourself".
Suzianne, you understand your view sentences all other views to eternal torment? Nothing intolerant about that, right.

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Originally posted by Suzianne to apathist
Personally, I don't see a reason why you would feel a need to "defend yourself".
It's a debate and discussion forum, Suzianne. When KellyJay witters on in public about "secular" people being "pieces of meat that walk and talk" etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam, he is talking about posters like apathist.

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Originally posted by apathist
Suzianne, you understand your view sentences all other views to eternal torment? Nothing intolerant about that, right.
Suzianne doesn't subscribe to the notion of "eternal torment" but nor does she have enough principle to stand up to Christians who portray her god as a grotesque torturer.

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Across the globe, people first try to get by, and we don't let them. Next they feel spiritual, and we kill them for that. This christian god is so weak and useless. I weep.

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Originally posted by FMF
Suzianne doesn't subscribe ...
I think suzianne is okay. But I always see good in people.

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Originally posted by apathist
Across the globe, people first try to get by, and we don't let them. Next they feel spiritual, and we kill them for that. This christian god is so weak and useless. I weep.
Christian beliefs give a lot of people solace, a sense of meaning and purpose, and even feelings of solidarity and community.

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Originally posted by FMF
Suzianne doesn't subscribe to the notion of "eternal torment" ...
Okay. I admit I like her even without your input.

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Originally posted by apathist
I think suzianne is okay. But I always see good in people.
I find people who subscribe to the notion of "eternal torment" - by some kind of supernatural being - to be unable to explain it or justify it morally. It is, I suppose, to Suzianne's credit that she doesn't believe in it ~ although her assertion that there is not a significant difference between a god torturing untold billions of people forever, and a god not torturing untold billions of people at all, makes the nature of her god seem rather incoherent.

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Originally posted by FMF
Christian beliefs give a lot of people solace, a sense of meaning and purpose, and even feelings of solidarity and community.
Yes. I an not comfortable opposing that. But they are not offering truth.

Sometimes truth should be hidden. But basic understanding of reality?

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Originally posted by FMF... although her assertion that there is not a significant difference between a god torturing untold billions of people forever, and a god not torturing untold billions of people at all, makes the nature of her god seem rather incoherent.
Give her another shot at that. It is not fun to be blindsided.