Originally posted by apathistI think Einstein said it welI if I am giving him proper credit. Think of good and evil like hot and cold, light and darkness, we don't really have dark as much as an absence of light, or cold since that is really an absence of heat. To grasp good it stands alone there doesn't need an explanation it should be, while evil is a break from what should be, and when someone does evil they typically come up with an excuse for their actions.
Kelly. How could you tell if a god were evil.
With God when I look at love between people and see how good that is, and know God is Love, then seeing the grandeur of creation I believe what He has done shows He is good. When I see the evil people do to each other I realize that if God were evil the universe would be a different place.
Originally posted by FMFSo what?
It's a debate and discussion forum, Suzianne. When KellyJay witters on in public about "secular" people being "pieces of meat that walk and talk" etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam, he is talking about posters like apathist.
Maybe you need to take a break from here if stuff people say is getting to you that much.
And you should talk; you have abandoned every reason why the human race exists. But you have plenty of company. Not good company, mind you, but company nevertheless... I guess.
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Originally posted by FMFBe real with people, at least pretend to have enough respect for them to do that much.
Suzianne doesn't subscribe to the notion of "eternal torment" but nor does she have enough principle to stand up to Christians who portray her god as a grotesque torturer.
The only reason you and divegeester call me "unprincipled" (which is such an ironic joke in the first place) is because I usually disagree with your usual, atrophied sense of right and wrong. You have shown repeatedly in these forums that you care about no one except yourself, and maybe a few others who espouse your misanthropic views.
I do not promote YOUR twisted views and so therefore I'm "unprincipled". Yeah, right.
Originally posted by FMFOne of these days, I'd like to see your "notebook of sins against me" that you keep locked in a wall safe in your den, only pulled out on lonely evenings when you can't access the internet. it must be quite huge by now.
She is not being blindsided at all. It has been a talking point here for years. Here was a recent exchange about the matter: Thread 172223 pages 11-12.
Originally posted by FMFThe most "ghastly" thing about them, in your mind, is that they disagree with you.
If there is "no point talking about it" so be it, but you then also call it "just a disease that needs excised", so for me you have a disconnect right there and so I don't see how you can have any discourse with proponents of torturer god theology. Their ghastly definitions of "perfect justice" and "ultimate morality" - manifesting themselves in never ending torture - are elephants in the room.
As I said in that thread, you treat them as though they murdered your child.
Yeah, that's misanthropic, to say the least. Get a grip.
Originally posted by SuzianneWhat "sins" do you believe I have committed against you?
One of these days, I'd like to see your "notebook of sins against me" that you keep locked in a wall safe in your den, only pulled out on lonely evenings when you can't access the internet. it must be quite huge by now.
Originally posted by SuzianneWhat I find ghastly is the notion of torturing billions of non-Christians for eternity being represented as "perfect justice" and "ultimate morality". I don't mind people disagreeing with me, per se.
The most "ghastly" thing about them, in your mind, is that they disagree with you.