Gay marriage

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
True enough. So how about Matthew 19:11-12?

'Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this ...[text shortened]... al desire.'


http://wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence.html (With thanks to ToO).

That is clouding the issue. There is absolutely no biblical grounds for marriage between same sex couples, but on the contrary there is clear references to marriage being between a man and a woman.

Your reference of Matthew 19, and the subsequent commentary that "Jesus identifies three classes of men" ignores the context and ascribes a perspective not in keeping with the narrative.

Verses 11 and 12 must be interpreted in light of verses 3 through 10.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
On the whole, the Bible is widely open to interpretation and filled with inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions. Though most refuse to admit it, they pick and choose the verses and passages that support their beliefs and dismiss those that don't. In short, they use the Bible to create God in their own image. Those that are anti-LGBT create God as anti-LGBT.

Genesis 3:1-4
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

First the devil questions the veracity of God's Word thereby taking away from it what God has said clearly, then Eve adds to it what God did not say, and finally Satan calls God an outright liar.

Clearly you believe a lie.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Churches accept fat and gluttonous, the winebibbers and the alcoholics, the liars and the deceivers, the adulterers and fornicators. Why would they deny entry to any of those who sin?

When people make a decision to become a Christian, they likely make an effort to alter behavior in some way.
But with gay people, they have no intention to change their sexual orientation...YET...they continue to practice Christianity.

I am wondering how they are able to reconcile that fact, with what's in the Bible?
Why exactly do they feel justified in the eyes of God?

Originally posted by @chaney3
When people make a decision to become a Christian, they likely make an effort to alter behavior in some way.
But with gay people, they have no intention to change their sexual orientation...YET...they continue to practice Christianity.

I am wondering how they are able to reconcile that fact, with what's in the Bible?
Why exactly do they feel justified in the eyes of God?

The bottom line is this: In spite of all your caterwalling about the bible this, the bible that, the world is not the same as it was 2000 years ago. PERIOD. There is NOTHING you can EVER do to change that. Civilization is changing and for the better, for this thing called FREEDOM. Freedom FROM religion, from the yolk of religion, from the brainwashing of religion, hopefully from the wars of religion.

Whether or not there is in fact a god is a moot point. Whether there is or isn't a god, it is entirely absent from human existence. That is a fact. If you don't believe me look at ISIS, look at Boko Haram (NO western education). If that isn't religious war I don't know what that phrase means.

Get over it. GET OVER IT. Your world is long gone and diverging from the past brainwashing of religion. It has taken 2000 years to get to the point where diversity is a fact, sexual diversity, racial diversity, gender equality, these are the new freedoms and I see no god coming down to say otherwise.

You bitch and moan about how the bible is subjugated, destroyed. I LIKE IT THAT WAY.

I WANT freedom FROM religion. You want to believe in a non resident god, fine. Don't keep trying to force your 2000 year old CRAP onto us in century 21.

Have you heard, for instance, about the thousand plus sexual abuse cases against Catholic priests in my home state of Pennsylvania?

I would assume your answer to that would be, well, they ARE Catholics, what do you expect.

So they don't worship the same book you do? They are a different religion from your Baptist or whatever brainwashed religion YOU belong to?

Can't you see the divisiveness going on here? You think GOD is responsible for that?

Originally posted by @sonhouse
The bottom line is this: In spite of all your caterwalling about the bible this, the bible that, the world is not the same as it was 2000 years ago. PERIOD. There is NOTHING you can EVER do to change that. Civilization is changing and for the better, for this thing called FREEDOM. Freedom FROM religion, from the yolk of religion, from the brainwashing of r ...[text shortened]... ng to?

Can't you see the divisiveness going on here? You think GOD is responsible for that?

In spite of all YOUR "caterwauling" you'll never be free without Jesus. Jesus isn't going away, in fact He's returning. Get ready to meet Him while you still can.

Originally posted by @chaney3
When people make a decision to become a Christian, they likely make an effort to alter behavior in some way.
But with gay people, they have no intention to change their sexual orientation...YET...they continue to practice Christianity.

I am wondering how they are able to reconcile that fact, with what's in the Bible?
Why exactly do they feel justified in the eyes of God?

Accepting Christ, joining a church, being baptised into Christ and having the Christ Spirit, is no guarantee that the person will actually follow Christ and live righteously, or that that person will enter the Kingdom of God.

A man that continues to sin cannot possibly reconcile that sin with what the bible says neither can he feel justified in the eyes of God. Seems like you are making up a lot of stuff about these Christians. Even if a man is able to continue to sin and feel that it is ok, then it means that his conscience has been eroded and this is foretold by Paul concerning the last days.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; (1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV)

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (2 Timothy 3:1-5 KJV)

Christianity has become a lot like this

Originally posted by @secondson
First the devil questions the veracity of God's Word thereby taking away from it what God has said clearly, then Eve adds to it what God did not say, and finally Satan calls God an outright liar.

Clearly you believe a lie.

Sounds like Christianity.

Originally posted by @chaney3
When people make a decision to become a Christian, they likely make an effort to alter behavior in some way.
But with gay people, they have no intention to change their sexual orientation...YET...they continue to practice Christianity.

I am wondering how they are able to reconcile that fact, with what's in the Bible?
Why exactly do they feel justified in the eyes of God?

Jesus took a hard line on divorcing and remarrying as well, yet many Christians seem to reconcile that just fine.

Or there is the Catholic church who says that abortion is murder, and the Pope recently just came out and compared abortionists to Nazis, yet many Catholics still have abortions or still vote for the Nazi abortionist politicians.

But then, those socialists sure have swell welfare programs, don't they so why not vote for a Nazi to get your free everything?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
True enough. So how about Matthew 19:11-12?

'Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this ...[text shortened]... al desire.'


http://wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence.html (With thanks to ToO).

I wouldn’t immediately disagree with any of that, however none of it refers to David and Jonathan.

Originally posted by @whodey
But the fact that there are no verses in support of gay marriage is open to interpretation.

Why are there no verses? Could it be that silence on the issue was meant to be interpreted as support for it?

Well?

I’m not interested in playing your games whodey. If you think there is a case then present it, if you don’t then say so, but I’m not going to fight your corner wet corner for you either way.

Originally posted by @chaney3
When people make a decision to become a Christian, they likely make an effort to alter behavior in some way.
But with gay people, they have no intention to change their sexual orientation...YET...they continue to practice Christianity.

I am wondering how they are able to reconcile that fact, with what's in the Bible?
Why exactly do they feel justified in the eyes of God?

I refer you to GoaD’s post above about eunuchs.

Originally posted by @sonhouse
The bottom line is this: In spite of all your caterwalling about the bible this, the bible that, the world is not the same as it was 2000 years ago. PERIOD. There is NOTHING you can EVER do to change that. Civilization is changing and for the better, for this thing called FREEDOM. Freedom FROM religion, from the yolk of religion, from the brainwashing of r ...[text shortened]... ng to?

Can't you see the divisiveness going on here? You think GOD is responsible for that?

Who was responsible for the Challenger disaster?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Who was responsible for the Challenger disaster?

Eunuchs?

Originally posted by @divegeester
I wouldn’t immediately disagree with any of that, however none of it refers to David and Jonathan.

I was providing a better example than David and Jonathan.

'For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth.' = Some people are born gay.

That being the case, why would God have an issue with gay marriage?

Originally posted by @divegeester
I’m not interested in playing your games whodey. If you think there is a case then present it, if you don’t then say so, but I’m not going to fight your corner wet corner for you either way.

I was just expressing a touch of sarcasm is all.

Geesh. Lighten up.