Originally posted by @thinkofoneTrue but marriage traditionally is based on family and sex between partners is recommomended to be chaste without commiting adultery. I believe these to be more than moral codes. Society is bcoming twisted still. .. I dunno. Gay sex is like Christmas-better to give than to recieve 😀
On the whole, the Bible is widely open to interpretation and filled with inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions. Though most refuse to admit it, they pick and choose the verses and passages that support their beliefs and dismiss those that don't. In short, they use the Bible to create God in their own image. Those that are anti-LGBT create God as anti-LGBT.
Originally posted by @chaney3"Love thy neighbour" . . . I believe this is an apt verse. Loving someone means tolerating and learning from their differences. If they dont harm you then there is no reason to cast your eye upon their business. So yeah, support LGBT(Q? ) , no problems, but marraige is a different subject altogether.
Are there any Bible verses that support LGBT?
Originally posted by @chaney3Its like ToO and others keep saying: the bible is cherry-picked and God is anthropomorphised to reflect the desires of the individual. Homosexuality was initally 'normalized' by the Greeks. But today, as we confront such issues, we should remember that the underlying problems with living a Christian life are many. I'm positive many choose it because of such factors as ,self-image(aesthetics), isolation (prison or remote areas), sex culture today(free porn and promiscuity) and the breakdown of so many straight marriages . Its no good telling people what to do in private. It doesn't work. This is proven time and time again. One should just live thier life righteously and set an example on issues like this.
When people make a decision to become a Christian, they likely make an effort to alter behavior in some way.
But with gay people, they have no intention to change their sexual orientation...YET...they continue to practice Christianity.
I am wondering how they are able to reconcile that fact, with what's in the Bible?
Why exactly do they feel justified in the eyes of God?
Originally posted by @sonhouseMuch of civilization is Not changing for the better. While I agree that religion has been stifling people's evolution and self-betterment, that doesn;t you should muddle in issues like freedom or child abuse to have a clear debate., Why appease a society? I suggest re-reading your post to find other such entanglements. After all, Most of us are either male or female with specific biological functions. This is biological fact and I'd say at least 99% of people conform to these gender norms. In short: sex, yes. Marriage (reproduction, family) no. Cheers.
The bottom line is this: In spite of all your caterwalling about the bible this, the bible that, the world is not the same as it was 2000 years ago. PERIOD. There is NOTHING you can EVER do to change that. Civilization is changing and for the better, for this thing called FREEDOM. Freedom FROM religion, from the yolk of religion, from the brainwashing of r ...[text shortened]... ng to?
Can't you see the divisiveness going on here? You think GOD is responsible for that?
Originally posted by @secondsonYou dont win any debates by using intimidation and abstractions. Logic is needed. jesus is returnig but not going away? Umm, ok. Good luck with showing me the logic of that
In spite of all YOUR "caterwauling" you'll never be free without Jesus. Jesus isn't going away, in fact He's returning. Get ready to meet Him while you still can.
Originally posted by @rajk999Yes. Its been building up this crap for many generations. While I believe there are legitimate exceptions , too many today are looking to other sources for sex in a culture ruled by screens telling them that a good shag is the be all and end all to a good life. Truly bro, understanding sex and its role in a healthy life, being chaste without denying your human side, is the alpha and omega of Spirituality acrooss the board. It is the most difficult part of a Christian life because it has been so obscured throught history.(Namely the importance of chasitiy both physically and mentally) Much of societies values are based on lies and deceptions. With so many differing opinions of so many unqualified baboons telling our kids what is permissible and ok and what is not and the breakdown of many families(because of following such unqulified idiots) it has become alright for the U.S. FDA to legitimize sugar and trans fatty acids as 'ok' in a healthy diet,, to pursue money for its own ends without considering the welfare of your fellow men, to empower a people of the people against the people (cops), to think that incarceration or execution is the best way of dealing with problem individuals, to start charging for the neccisities of life (now water, what next, air? ) , to think that national pride means being the biggest bully as economically possible without ostracizing the middle class. . . The advent of modernity (from the saturation of television in the eraly sixties)/ has seen the rise of opiate dependence, rife obesity, appaling education standards (in otherwise rich and affluent countries like Australia) , the justification of genocide, a removal of people from the land and nature by convenience after convenience. Then there is conformity to the public opinion of the few who happen to have a big audience due to personality rather than intellect (tv, radio shows,etc. ) . Donald Trump? By the time the consensus catches up with the real circumstances that led such a 'man' into the whitehouse we will already be long into the next problem politician or government blunder. (If too much of the consensus gets too close to the truth too early then its time for fear. Wars,recessions and the like) . And the right of the government to decree what grown ups can do or not to their own bodies. Marijuana, an ancient plant with so many benefits that they almost seem made up, which has no one single recorded death due to overdose, the discovery of thc recptors in the brain and the spleen , despite the LORD putting this and other psychadelic plants on the Earth has been succesfully criminalized and demonized. And the icing on the cake: The criminalization of suicide. Ok. . . I'll stop but before Someone accuse of waffling 🙂 However understanding the reasons these counter-intuitive decisions can be made by the few for the many, and more importantly accepted by the many , goes a long way to show how homosexuality (basically abnormal behaviour according to basic biology) -yes we all have one- has been allowed to be portrayed as a symbol of freedom and progress. Give back one measily freedom , let the ignorant abuse it , while keeping the rest. I suggest shutting off the tv, better yet keep it on and watch it discerningly, educating yourself about things you dont understand and how this society is manipulated. Be wary of white food (bread,some margarines,milk,flour but especially sugar) . And the re-affirmation of simple truths as told by Jesus and others is the way out of the forrest 🙂
Accepting Christ, joining a church, being baptised into Christ and having the Christ Spirit, is no guarantee that the person will actually follow Christ and live righteously, or that that person will enter the Kingdom of God.
A man that continues to sin cannot possibly reconcile that sin with what the bible says neither can he feel justified in the eyes ...[text shortened]... ereof: from such turn away. (2 Timothy 3:1-5 KJV)[/i]
Christianity has become a lot like this
1 edit
Originally posted by @rajk999Convenient.
Then clearly women should be silent in the church.
Sins OF Paul [just like the sins OF Rajk or YOU,] have no bearing on this discussion. I know that is hard for your little mind to understand.
Chances are that is why Paul told them to shut up in the first place. They had a habit of talking nonsense when he was telling people what Jesus told him to say.
You sound like a lot of Christians who apparently get their morality (and hypocrisy) from the same place you do.
Originally posted by @suzianneWhat do you mean? I thought he got it from the same place as you: cherry-picking the bible! . Lol. But seriously, where do you think he gets it from?
Convenient.
You sound like a lot of Christians who apparently get their morality (and hypocrisy) from the same place you do.
Originally posted by @secondsonAre you trying to make a case that the Bible is the inerrant word of God?
Genesis 3:1-4
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, [b]Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the ga ...[text shortened]... hat God did not say, and finally Satan calls God an outright liar.
Clearly you believe a lie.[/b]
If only truth and reason were your guide.
1 edit
Originally posted by @secondsonYour reference of Matthew 19, and the subsequent commentary that "Jesus identifies three classes of men" ignores the context and ascribes a perspective not in keeping with the narrative.
That is clouding the issue. There is absolutely no biblical grounds for marriage between same sex couples, but on the contrary there is clear references to marriage being between a man and a woman.
Your reference of Matthew 19, and the subsequent commentary that "Jesus identifies three classes of men" ignores the context and ascribes a perspective not ...[text shortened]... ing with the narrative.
Verses 11 and 12 must be interpreted in light of verses 3 through 10.
Verses 11 and 12 must be interpreted in light of verses 3 through 10.
How exactly does Matthew 19:3-10 detract from what GoaD posted about 11-12?
1 edit
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelWhat exactly are your objections to gay marriage?
My regret last year was voting 'Yes' on gay marriage. My bad. I should have given it some thought. Now it is legalized. My son went to see his uncle get nmarried recently. I didn't want to stop him going however I did make my own views on it perfectly clear to him. Legalized gay marriage is a blight on the gays and the straights alike. In my humble opinion.
Why should same sex couples be denied the right to marriage?
