Originally posted by @thinkofoneYes, he was. Karoly's fallacy is in repeatedly touting the wonders of cannabis and (hallelujah) how that not one person has ever died from smoking too much of it. - Even when conceding a small percentage might 'freak out' he is quick to link this small percentage with also drinking alcohol - '...after a bottle of bourbon.' This is blatantly incorrect, false, uninformed. (On multiple levels).
The fact is that he wasn't touting a fallacy in his post as you asserted. The fact is that you took his sentence out of context and falsely asserted that he was saying something that he wasn't.
The following was his sentence in context:
<<And the right of the government to decree what grown ups can do or not to their own bodies. Marijuana, an ancien ...[text shortened]... a valid point. Are you for the criminalization of alcohol? Have you spoken for it on this forum?
I am not for the criminalization of alcohol 'OR' cannabis. What I am against is the unbalanced glorification of cannabis to the cost of its potential harm. - If you smoke cannabis you will most probably be okay and may indeed get some health benefits (pain relief and the like). But there is the possibility however that its use will cause mental health psychosis that will completely and utterly devastate your life (and most probably the lives of the people who care about you). People need to make informed decisions when it comes to cannabis. I would be posting the same thing about alcohol, if someone was here touting its miraculous benefits and glossing over the immense damage it can cause.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYeah and there isthepossibilty you will die in a car crash today, yet people still drive their cars. For crissake grow up. Life is full of risks as much as ther nanny state tries to minimize them. Use not abuse. Taking substances is not contrary to the commandments and even Jesus made more wine for his already tipsy followers. Responsibilty and moderation are the way to live life, not abstinence.. Well, for me anyway. 🙂
Yes, he was. Karoly's fallacy is in repeatedly touting the wonders of cannabis and (hallelujah) how that not one person has ever died from smoking too much of it. - Even when conceding a small percentage might 'freak out' he is quick to link this small percentage with also drinking alcohol - '...after a bottle of bourbon.' This is blatantly incorrec ...[text shortened]... eone was here touting its miraculous benefits and glossing over the immense damage it can cause.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYes, life is full of risks, hence the importance of knowing when you are taking them.
Yeah and there isthepossibilty you will die in a car crash today, yet people still drive their cars. For crissake grow up. Life is full of risks as much as ther nanny state tries to minimize them. Use not abuse. Taking substances is not contrary to the commandments and even Jesus made more wine for his already tipsy followers. Responsibilty and moderation are the way to live life, not abstinence.. Well, for me anyway. 🙂
'Growing up' is understanding the above.
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYou need to think this through.
Yeah I didn't word that post too well. I have thought this throughhowever it is complex area and you make some good points. Men and women make babies,not gay couples.Gay couples can have a civil union and adopt etc. but marriage is between a bride and a groom. To normalize two grooms or two brides diminishes for future generations the significance of m ...[text shortened]... tlaugh at themselves asre genrally ill=equipped for spisitual advancement. In fact,I gurantee it
Men and women make babies,not gay couples.
Yes they do. Once again, so what? It doesn't address why marriage shouldn't be between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
To normalize two grooms or two brides diminishes for future generations the significance of marriage.
Diminishes the significance of marriage? This is nonsense.
From wiki:
<<Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognised union between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between those spouses.>>
The promises exchanged between a couple and their union are as strong and "significant" or as weak and insignificant as what THEY bring to the union.
This is Adam and Eve stuff, the basics. Like other Christian ideas it is more than just a moral code. It is a basic guideline for the righteous
A lot of "Christians ideas" are plain nonsense.
If you want a "basic guideline for the righteous", you should look at Jesus' basic guidelines for righteousness:
Matthew 22
37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 7
12“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
In Matthew 7:12 Jesus has distilled the two greatest commandments down to one. "The Golden Rule" describes the same concept as the second commandment. There He says that "The Golden Rule" IS the law and the prophets.
How does gay marriage go against Jesus' basic guidelines for righteousness:?
As for the humour I dont discriminate. Iknow I'mnot homophobic or racist but a good joke is a good joke.
Racist "jokes" are "good" to racists. Homophobic "jokes" are "good" to homophobes. Your claims to the contrary notwithstanding. They are divisive and DO go against Jesus' basic guidelines for righteousness.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYes, he was.
Yes, he was. Karoly's fallacy is in repeatedly touting the wonders of cannabis and (hallelujah) how that not one person has ever died from smoking too much of it. - Even when conceding a small percentage might 'freak out' he is quick to link this small percentage with also drinking alcohol - '...after a bottle of bourbon.' This is blatantly incorrec ...[text shortened]... eone was here touting its miraculous benefits and glossing over the immense damage it can cause.
No he wasn't. The fact remains that in the following he was not touting the fallacy that you continue to assert:
<<And the right of the government to decree what grown ups can do or not to their own bodies. Marijuana, an ancient plant with so many benefits that they almost seem made up, which has no one single recorded death due to overdose, the discovery of thc recptors in the brain and the spleen , despite the LORD putting this and other psychadelic plants on the Earth has been succesfully criminalized and demonized.>>
Karoly's fallacy is in repeatedly touting the wonders of cannabis and (hallelujah) how that not one person has ever died from smoking too much of it. - Even when conceding a small percentage might 'freak out' he is quick to link this small percentage with also drinking alcohol - '...after a bottle of bourbon.' This is blatantly incorrect, false, uninformed.
Though what you've written above is awkwardly worded, it would seem that his point was that people can overdose from alcohol. Regardless, there is such as thing as alcohol induced psychosis as well.
I am not for the criminalization of alcohol 'OR' cannabis.
The point he was making in his post was that cannabis should not have been "criminalized or demonized". You ignored this fact and falsely asserted that he was saying something that he wasn't in his post.
What I am against is the unbalanced glorification of cannabis to the cost of its potential harm.
You're deluding yourself if you believe that there isn't a "glorification" of alcohol to "the cost of its potential harm" in general. You're deluding yourself if you believe that people don't routinely "glorify" their use of alcohol on this forum without mention of "the cost of its potential harm".
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeNo thats not growing up. Thats not becomming an adult. When you are an adult you live by your own authority and need approval from absolutely no one. It is when you have enough life experience to be able to think for yourself at all times and accept certain truths about life. Like: There are no accidents or coincidences. And that you are responsible for your life, emotions, moods etc. Growing up means to cease to be childish. Grown up children listen to respond. Adults listen to understand
Yes, life is full of risks, hence the importance of knowing when you are taking them.
'Growing up' is understanding the above.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI've skimmed over this for now but do concede that it is a difficult topic. But for now, I have thought it through and doubt I'll change my mind. I'll consider your points more broadly and get back to you. This is a topic in society that people are divided on and I doubt there will be a clear answer for the majority anytime soon.
You need to think this through.
[b]Men and women make babies,not gay couples.
Yes they do. Once again, so what? It doesn't address why marriage shouldn't be between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
To normalize two grooms or two brides diminishes for future generations the significance of marriage.
Diminishes the signifi ...[text shortened]... notwithstanding. They are divisive and DO go against Jesus' basic guidelines for righteousness.[/b]
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneOn humour you are mistaken. Do not mistake the forrest for the trees. The generalizations you made at the end there werer not gospel. You must separate the chaff from the wheat. Disinformation!!! Sounds good but break it down. Work it out for yourself independent of media sources. Dis and misinformation are the tools that control has had for genrations to keep us shackled. Thats why the world is so screwed, why Trump is President. While people like me get slammed for swearing and homophobic jokes and more importantly blamed for sociteies ills, the powers that be carry on as they have done for ages.
You need to think this through.
[b]Men and women make babies,not gay couples.
Yes they do. Once again, so what? It doesn't address why marriage shouldn't be between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
To normalize two grooms or two brides diminishes for future generations the significance of marriage.
Diminishes the signifi ...[text shortened]... notwithstanding. They are divisive and DO go against Jesus' basic guidelines for righteousness.[/b]
Question everything bro
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelLooking forward to reading your response.
I've skimmed over this for now but do concede that it is a difficult topic. But for now, I have thought it through and doubt I'll change my mind. I'll consider your points more broadly and get back to you. This is a topic in society that people are divided on and I doubt there will be a clear answer for the majority anytime soon.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneTake your time bro. You make things happen. patiently, righteously.
Looking forward to reading your response.
Otherwise things happen to you 🙂
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelWhat leads you to believe that what I wrote has anything to do with "disinformation", "misinformation", "media sources", "the powers that be", "swearing", etc.?
On humour you are mistaken. Do not mistake the forrest for the trees. The generalizations you made at the end there werer not gospel. You must separate the chaff from the wheat. Disinformation!!! Sounds good but break it down. Work it out for yourself independent of media sources. Dis and misinformation are the tools that control has had for genratio ...[text shortened]... citeies ills, the powers that be carry on as they have done for ages.
Question everything bro
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou didn't. I'm thinking you may have swallowed a bit of untruth perhaps? Like I mentioned earlier it was only one year ago I voted 'yes'to gay marriage in Australia. I've regretted that in light of the past year.
What leads you to believe that what I wrote has anything to do with "disinformation", "misinformation", "media sources", "the powers that be", "swearing", etc.?