Originally posted by @karoly-aczel"Marijuana, an ancient plant with so many benefits that they almost seem made up, which has no one single recorded death due to overdose."
Yes. Its been building up this crap for many generations. While I believe there are legitimate exceptions , too many today are looking to other sources for sex in a culture ruled by screens telling them that a good shag is the be all and end all to a good life. Truly bro, understanding sex and its role in a healthy life, being chaste without denying y ...[text shortened]... the re-affirmation of simple truths as told by Jesus and others is the way out of the forrest 🙂
You keep touting this fallacy. -Marijuana can (and does) lead to mental health psychosis which in turn destroys lives and has undoubtedly led to many suicides. You don't have to overdose on such a drug for it to kill you.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelThere is nothing 'humble' about that opinion.
My regret last year was voting 'Yes' on gay marriage. My bad. I should have given it some thought. Now it is legalized. My son went to see his uncle get nmarried recently. I didn't want to stop him going however I did make my own views on it perfectly clear to him. Legalized gay marriage is a blight on the gays and the straights alike. In my humble opinion.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIn a society that normalizes gayness and turns a blind eye to promiscuity and adultery, I'd have to say a good majority of those gay people are gay by choice,not by nature. (I have outlined other reasons for the apparent confusion in society) . Marriage between men or women is unevolutionary, unfamilylike (as in no balance between mother and father) and fairly unpRACTICLE. . . unless of course you likethe spirit of xmas and find giving better than recieving. Basically partsof our societyare so corrupt that in comparrison abbhorations like gay marriageseem relatively normal. Union, defacto,etc. ok. but marriage? Marriage is between man and woman. In a highly perverse and sexualized culture where most traditionaL marriages are broken and STALE and where sexuality is encouraged, It is easy to lose sight of the basic plan put before us to live a happy life.
What exactly are your objections to gay marriage?
Why should same sex couples be denied the right to marriage?
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeWhich fallacy? the ancient plant with countless medicinal benefits? Why not do a simple check between how many die from alcohol,are in involved in domestics or car crashes compared to the same with weed. Ipreume you accept the legality of alcohol but it is a killer whereas weed isn't. So I dont see your logic. Only a small percentage of people freak out from marijuana. Most people laugh ,relax, enjoy andplay music and such. but according to youi,those very few lone nuts that commit suicide after smoking ,(who prolly would've done it after a bottle of bourbon as well), justify the criminalization of weed but allow the legalization of a known destroyer of lives namely alcohol?
"Marijuana, an ancient plant with so many benefits that they almost seem made up, which has no one single recorded death due to overdose."
You keep touting this fallacy. -Marijuana can (and does) lead to mental health psychosis which in turn destroys lives and has undoubtedly led to many suicides. You don't have to overdose on such a drug for it to kill you.
And you say I tout fallacy's ? What logic are u using?
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeOh give it a rest you numbskull. You dont tell me what is humble and what isn't,and you know it, so you are just talking to the rest oif the public in the hope of finding a Charlie bashing ally. Good luck with that
There is nothing 'humble' about that opinion.
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYou need to think this through.
In a society that normalizes gayness and turns a blind eye to promiscuity and adultery, I'd have to say a good majority of those gay people are gay by choice,not by nature. (I have outlined other reasons for the apparent confusion in society) . Marriage between men or women is unevolutionary, unfamilylike (as in no balance between mother and father) an ...[text shortened]... ty is encouraged, It is easy to lose sight of the basic plan put before us to live a happy life.
In a society that normalizes gayness and turns a blind eye to promiscuity and adultery, I'd have to say a good majority of those gay people are gay by choice,not by nature.
What of those who are gay by nature? They should be denied the right to marriage because other segments of society are promiscuous and adulterous?
Marriage between men or women is unevolutionary, unfamilylike (as in no balance between mother and father) and fairly unpRACTICLE
What's your point here? Aren't heterosexual couples who don't have children NOT similarly "unevolutionary" and"unfamilylike"? What exactly is this "balance between mother and father" that couldn't be provided by a homosexual couple? unpRACTICLE? No idea what this is even supposed to mean.
unless of course you likethe spirit of xmas and find giving better than recieving
How is this not typical homophobic screed?
Union, defacto,etc. ok. but marriage? Marriage is between man and woman.
Marriage has traditionally been "man and a woman". So what? It doesn't address why it shouldn't be between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
In a highly perverse and sexualized culture where most traditionaL marriages are broken and STALE and where sexuality is encouraged, It is easy to lose sight of the basic plan put before us to live a happy life.
That "most traditional marriages are broken and STALE" is absolutely no fault of homosexual couples.
If you believe that homosexual couples cannot have "live a happy life", you are mistaken. One impediment to them doing so are those who would deny them basic rights such as marriage.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneGood post.
You need to think this through.
[b]In a society that normalizes gayness and turns a blind eye to promiscuity and adultery, I'd have to say a good majority of those gay people are gay by choice,not by nature.
What of those who are gay by nature? They should be denied the right to marriage because other segments of society are promiscuous and a ...[text shortened]... en. One impediment to them doing so are those who would deny them basic rights such as marriage.[/b]
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelI agree, most people can smoke cannabis without any 'apparent' long-term damage.
Which fallacy? the ancient plant with countless medicinal benefits? Why not do a simple check between how many die from alcohol,are in involved in domestics or car crashes compared to the same with weed. Ipreume you accept the legality of alcohol but it is a killer whereas weed isn't. So I dont see your logic. Only a small percentage of people freak o ...[text shortened]... own destroyer of lives namely alcohol?
And you say I tout fallacy's ? What logic are u using?
My issue is with anyone peddling it as something completely benign, ignoring the fact that many lives have been utterly destroyed (and lost) by its use. And my logic here is based on 20 years experience and observations in this field. It is not something I am conjecturing about.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeOf course there is what he actually wrote and you quoted:
I agree, most people can smoke cannabis without any 'apparent' long-term damage.
My issue is with anyone peddling it as something completely benign, ignoring the fact that many lives have been utterly destroyed (and lost) by its use. And my logic here is based on 20 years experience and observations in this field. It is not something I am conjecturing about.
<<Marijuana, an ancient plant with so many benefits that they almost seem made up, which has no one single recorded death due to overdose.>>
Originally posted by @thinkofoneAs I wrote above:
Of course there is what he actually wrote and you quoted:
<<Marijuana, an ancient plant with so many benefits that they almost seem made up, [b]which has no one single recorded death due to overdose.>>[/b]
'You don't have to overdose on such a drug for it to kill you.'
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeAs you also wrote:
As I wrote above:
'You don't have to overdose on such a drug for it to kill you.'
"You keep touting this fallacy"
You've yet to demonstrate that what he wrote and you quoted is a fallacy.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneMy conversation with Karoly about cannabis is ongoing (from previous threads) so I am well versed on his views on this important issue.
As you also wrote:
"You keep touting this fallacy"
You've yet to demonstrate that what he wrote and you quoted is a fallacy.
Firstly, the effects of cannabis are misrepresented by the caveat 'overdose.' - in Karoly's statement, "...no one single recorded death due to overdose' is highly misleading. (It is not 'overdosing' that is necessarily the killer when it comes to cannabis, but the mental health issues it can trigger, which in turn can result in someone taking their own life).
The fallacy is presenting cannabis as non-life threatening, due to no one having been recorded as overdosing on it (ignoring its clear link to psychosis and suicide) and in touting only its beneficial effects. - And even then, if we were to use the 'overdose' caveat, it ignores that 'over-use' or 'overdosing' can likewise be the catalyst for mental health psychosis.
Clearly, cannabis does not work the same way as heroin, when we are referencing overdose, but its long-term effects can be as equally destructive.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThe fact is that he wasn't touting a fallacy in his post as you asserted. The fact is that you took his sentence out of context and falsely asserted that he was saying something that he wasn't.
My conversation with Karoly about cannabis is ongoing (from previous threads) so I am well versed on his views on this important issue.
Firstly, the effects of cannabis are misrepresented by the caveat 'overdose.' - in Karoly's statement, "...no one single recorded death due to overdose' is highly misleading. (It is not 'overdosing' that is nece ...[text shortened]... roin, when we are referencing overdose, but its long-term effects can be as equally destructive.
The following was his sentence in context:
<<And the right of the government to decree what grown ups can do or not to their own bodies. Marijuana, an ancient plant with so many benefits that they almost seem made up, which has no one single recorded death due to overdose, the discovery of thc recptors in the brain and the spleen , despite the LORD putting this and other psychadelic plants on the Earth has been succesfully criminalized and demonized.>>
His point seems to be that Marijuana should not have been "criminalized and demonized" by the government. In light of the fact that alcohol hasn't similarly been "criminalized and demonized", he has a valid point. Are you for the criminalization of alcohol? Have you spoken for it on this forum?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYeah I didn't word that post too well. I have thought this throughhowever it is complex area and you make some good points. Men and women make babies,not gay couples.Gay couples can have a civil union and adopt etc. but marriage is between a bride and a groom. To normalize two grooms or two brides diminishes for future generations the significance of marriage. This is Adam and Eve stuff, the basics. Like other Christian ideas it is more than just a moral code. It is a basic guideline for the righteous . I. . This is my view on it. As for the humour I dont discriminate. Iknow I'mnot homophobic or racist but a good joke is a good joke. . . . Once again this islived experience not just theory. I make fun of everyone, every nationality and minority. I dont overdo it and run them down but I find those who cantlaugh at themselves asre genrally ill=equipped for spisitual advancement. In fact,I gurantee it
You need to think this through.
[b]In a society that normalizes gayness and turns a blind eye to promiscuity and adultery, I'd have to say a good majority of those gay people are gay by choice,not by nature.
What of those who are gay by nature? They should be denied the right to marriage because other segments of society are promiscuous and a ...[text shortened]... en. One impediment to them doing so are those who would deny them basic rights such as marriage.[/b]