27 Oct 13
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I understand that the arch enemy of God is Satan. What I have never understood is why Satan is seen as so bad.
I also think that, if Satan is really devious, as suggested in the Bible, the one thing he would try and do is convince us he is God.
To put some objectivity on this, please list all the things that God does or condones as evidenced by the Bible and that is or would be illegal or a crime based on a human view of these issues. Please also do the same for Satan.
Once we have a list we shall compare and see who comes out best. I acknowledge that some of these illegalities and crimes will depend on where you live, but that will apply to Satan just as much.
I shall start.
God
1 Genocide
2 Infanticide
3 Slavery
4 Murder
5 Punishment without due process
6 Punishment without hope of parole
7 Torture
Satan
Can't think of any at the moment.
Over to you.
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by Rank outsiderIt's clear that Satan is an employee of God. He does God's dirty work, so God can keep his hands clean (well...at least most of the time). Since God could (I presume) vanquish Satan at the blink of an eye, it should seem painfully obvious that since he doesn't, they must have reached some agreement between them.
I understand that the arch enemy of God is Satan. What I have never understood is why Satan is seen as so bad.
I also think that, if Satan is really devious, as suggested in the Bible, the one thing he would try and do is convince us he is God.
To put some objectivity on this, please list all the things that God does or condones as evidenced b ...[text shortened]... without hope of parole
7 Torture
Satan
Can't think of any at the moment.
Over to you.
27 Oct 13
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Originally posted by rwingettYou say he does God's dirty work. What, exactly, has he done? Before we condemn him on the say-so of God, let us at least know what he is charged with.
It's clear that Satan is an employee of God. He does God's dirty work, so God can keep his hands clean (well...at least most of the time). Since God could (I presume) vanquish Satan at the blink of an eye, it should seem painfully obvious that since he doesn't, they must have reached some agreement between them.
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by Rank outsiderI can add a few more of the Old Testament God's faults:
I understand that the arch enemy of God is Satan. What I have never understood is why Satan is seen as so bad.
I also think that, if Satan is really devious, as suggested in the Bible, the one thing he would try and do is convince us he is God.
To put some objectivity on this, please list all the things that God does or condones as evidenced b ...[text shortened]... without hope of parole
7 Torture
Satan
Can't think of any at the moment.
Over to you.
1) petty
2) unjust
3) vindictive
4) bloodthirsty
5) ethnic cleanser
6) misogynistic
7) homophobic
8) racist
9) infanticidal
10) genocidal
11) filicidal
12) pestilential
13) megalomaniacal
14) sadomasochistic
15) malevolent
16) bully
17) capricious
Satan?
Er...um....just give me a few seconds.....well....
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by Rank outsiderSatan promoted:
I understand that the arch enemy of God is Satan. What I have never understood is why Satan is seen as so bad.
I also think that, if Satan is really devious, as suggested in the Bible, the one thing he would try and do is convince us he is God.
To put some objectivity on this, please list all the things that God does or condones as evidenced b ...[text shortened]... without hope of parole
7 Torture
Satan
Can't think of any at the moment.
Over to you.
1. Genocide
2. Infanticide
3. Slavery
4. Murder
5. Torture.
God forbid the Almighty brings judgment to end the party.
27 Oct 13
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Originally posted by whodeyGod is the one who committed genocide during the Great Flood, not Satan.
Satan promoted:
1. Genocide
2. Infanticide
3. Slavery
4. Murder
5. Torture.
God forbid the Almighty brings judgment to end the party.
In the Old Testament, God used to do more of his own dirty work. They didn't prattle on about Satan as much then. But in the New Testament, God decided he wanted to be the good guy and contracted out his dirty work to Satan. Of course, if God were displeased with that arrangement, he could annihilate Satan instantly. The fact that he keeps him on indicates that the arrangement is much to his liking. Or at least that it's an arrangement that he finds useful.
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by rwingettAllegedly it is said that Satan called God a liar when God told man
It's clear that Satan is an employee of God. He does God's dirty work, so God can keep his hands clean (well...at least most of the time). Since God could (I presume) vanquish Satan at the blink of an eye, it should seem painfully obvious that since he doesn't, they must have reached some agreement between them.
that he will die if he eats the fruit that was forbidden.
Satan allegedly told man that he would not die but that mans eyes
would be opened and he would have the knowledge that God did
not want man to have.
God's alleged counter argument was that man will not survive without God.
Without God man was doomed to destroy himself.
Satan's alleged argument is that man does not need God.
So, allegedly we have this trial period going on whereby it is left
to see if man can live and survive successfully without God.
To date man is allegedly doing a bad job and God is allegedly waiting
for the right time to come back and intervene before man really loses
it and is on the brink of destruction.
At that point allegedly, God will say:
"See?" "I told you that without me you would ruin yourselves".
So he attempts then to prove Satan wrong that man can live without God.
I think that this is the whole point of the Bible from
Genesis to Revelation.
God is trying to prove to man that man cannot live without him and that
Satan is wrong.
So that's it really, in a nutshell.
( If you believe in all that sort of thing )
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by Pianoman1OK, but 1-4 are not illegal or crimes.
I can add a few more of the Old Testament God's faults:
1) petty
2) unjust
3) vindictive
4) bloodthirsty
5) ethnic cleanser
6) misogynistic
7) homophobic
8) racist
9) infanticidal
10) genocidal
11) filicidal
12) pestilential
13) megalomaniacal
14) sadomasochistic
15) malevolent
16) bully
17) capricious
Satan?
Er...um....just give me a few seconds.....well....
5 is covered in genocidal.
6, 7 and 8 are also not illegal or crimes. However, inciting hatred and/or discrimination on the basis of sex, sexual preference and race are so we can add those to the list.
9 and 10 were already on my list.
11 we can add.
I'm not sure that 12 is a crime, though I think endangering life would cover anything else not covered in the list so far.
13-17 are not illegal or crimes.
So a few to add.
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by whodeyWhere does Satan promote these in the Bible? I remember God promoting all these, but not Satan.
Satan promoted:
1. Genocide
2. Infanticide
3. Slavery
4. Murder
5. Torture.
God forbid the Almighty brings judgment to end the party.
Scriptural references would be appreciated.
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyCalling someone a liar is not a crime. It may be slanderous.
Allegedly it is said that Satan called God a liar when God told man
that he will die if he eats the fruit that was forbidden.
Satan allegedly told man that he would not die but that mans eyes
would be opened and he would have the knowledge that God did
not want man to have.
God's alleged counter argument was that man will not survive witho ...[text shortened]... .
So that's it really, in a nutshell.
( If you believe in all that sort of thing )
Is that the worse anyone can some up with against Satan?
27 Oct 13
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Originally posted by Rank outsiderHave you ever read the Bible? Anytime God issued a judgment or had people killed, it was due to their wickedness. For example, the people destroyed during the flood were said to be desperately wicked and murderous. We are also given a glimpse into the state of affairs before Sodom was destroyed. The angels who visited the city were approached by the men in the city in order to gang rape them.
Where does Satan promote these in the Bible? I remember God promoting all these, but not Satan.
Scriptural references would be appreciated.
Only God knows exactly how wicked these people were and the need to deal with them.
None of us have any trouble seeing Nazi's hang for their atrosities. But if God forbid if he does it with his own hand.
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by whodeyCan we stick to the point? You said Satan promoted various crimes. Can you support that contention from scripture or not?
Have you ever read the Bible? Anytime God issued a judgment or had people killed, it was due to their wickedness. For example, the people destroyed during the flood were said to be desperately wicked and murderous. We are also given a glimpse into the state of affairs before Sodom was destroyed. The angels who visited the city were approached by the men i ...[text shortened]... ble seeing Nazi's hang for their atrosities. But if God forbid if he does it with his own hand.
27 Oct 13
Originally posted by whodeyGod allegedly created these people. All people.
Have you ever read the Bible? Anytime God issued a judgment or had people killed, it was due to their wickedness. For example, the people destroyed during the flood were said to be desperately wicked and murderous. We are also given a glimpse into the state of affairs before Sodom was destroyed. The angels who visited the city were approached by the men i ...[text shortened]... ble seeing Nazi's hang for their atrosities. But if God forbid if he does it with his own hand.
Good people as well as evil people.
What does this say about your God?
The fact that he had to destroy that which he created in the first place?
How could you claim that your God is all knowing and all powerful
and infallible if he made the mistake of creating something he would have to destroy?
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Originally posted by whodeyThe 'people' destroyed during the flood was every human being on the planet, men women and children. Do you believe the children were 'wicked and murderous'?
Have you ever read the Bible? Anytime God issued a judgment or had people killed, it was due to their wickedness. For example, the people destroyed during the flood were said to be desperately wicked and murderous. We are also given a glimpse into the state of affairs before Sodom was destroyed. The angels who visited the city were approached by the men i ...[text shortened]... ble seeing Nazi's hang for their atrosities. But if God forbid if he does it with his own hand.
