If time was created and doesn’t exist in Heaven or hell, there is no knowledge of passing time; there’s just the eternal “now” or present.
But time-bound humans can’t imagine time not existing or what life would be like without the passage of time.
That’s why your question is flawed. You’re assuming time exists where it likely doesn’t, and you can’t imagine what it would be like without time.
@fmf saidWhat is up to you is all up to you, nothing can be said that you can’t just simply reject without cause. There is no discussion if you have to agree to something that you don’t want to.
If you want to deal with my challenge head-on, why not just say: IT DOESN’T NEED TO BE MORALLY COHERENT TO ME OR ANYONE BECAUSE IT IS WHAT IT IS, DIVINELY SO.
I already told you God is the standard not me, He is the standard and judge, you may as well say you reject death because you don’t like it. Your opinion, likes, and dislikes don’t change anything. Reality is what it is, you are looking for a loophole that would show hell to be unjust when the standard for justice and goodness set it up.
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To get back to your OP, in addition to allegories and commentaries on the present, good sci-fi can certainly also discuss likely extrapolations from the present ("if this goes on" ).
But gone are the days when H. G. Wells or Robert A. Heinlein could constrain a story to the ramifications of changing just one element -- lots of things in flux already.
@kellyjay saidThat you believe what you believe is fine. That you do so even though it's morally depraved and ludicrous and you cannot explain it is fine. That you think my disbelief iamounts to a "loophole" that I have created so as to avoid something I don't like is fine. That you believe eternal torture is justice and goodness and divinely willed and created is fine. That you believe I am evil and deserve to be tortured is fine. That you tell yourself that your superstitious beliefs represent reality and the truth and that my lack of belief is a denial of reality and a lie is fine. That you believe I have willingly sided with the "Devil and his angels" is fine. That you believe I am doomed to "damnation" is fine.
Reality is what it is, you are looking for a loophole that would show hell to be unjust when the standard for justice and goodness set it up.
As you know, I can't just somehow choose to believe in supernatural beings and phenomena that I find farfetched and not credible, so we shall just have to wait and see if I one day realize that I do share Christian beliefs like yours after all.
But for that to have any chance of happening, as long as I am an intelligent, educated, thoughtful, free moral agent, it would probably be best for me to not hear you trying to argue that your beliefs represent reality and that they are underpinned by moral logic.
@fmf saidYes, and like death, things we don’t like happen. And like death that lasts forever, it occurs to everyone good bad it doesn’t matter. With Hell not having the righteousness that God gives us in Christ we die in our sins. Justice for everything will be paid for in Christ or not.
I don't "reject death". We all die.
@fmf saidYour moral logic is what, just your idea of what you think is fine and good for you? That isn't logic; that is a personal opinion. Without a standard by which to judge what is good, you are just making up as you go there aren't any measurements no way to judge this is better than that without some standard that can be applied to all standards and judge which one is better or worse, or even say there are ones that are better than others.
That you believe what you believe is fine. That you do so even though it's morally depraved and ludicrous and you cannot explain it is fine. That you think my disbelief iamounts to a "loophole" that I have created so as to avoid something I don't like is fine. That you believe eternal torture is justice and goodness and divinely willed and created is fine. That you believe I am e ...[text shortened]... ou trying to argue that your beliefs represent reality and that they are underpinned by moral logic.
What are you comparing it to, reincarnation, nothingness, there is no such thing as good and evil, so it is all the same no matter how one lives, what is the measuring stick you are using, what is it that makes one better than the next, personal taste?