Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou tell him to get down on his knees and beg for mercy. If he doesn't, then, you shoot. 😏
If you want to talk about drugs, you ought to start a new thread, I'd be happy to discuss our views. Likewise with human trafficking.
This thread is about guns. It's about how widespread gun-ownership leads to a lot of deaths, a fact which is indisputable. It's about how you are able to interpret Christ's message of peace and love as support for k ...[text shortened]... you to go back upstairs. Do you shoot? He raises the gun and points it at you, do you shoot?
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou seem to want to ignore my point if that is how you view it.
If you want to talk about drugs, you ought to start a new thread, I'd be happy to discuss our views. Likewise with human trafficking.
This thread is about guns. It's about how widespread gun-ownership leads to a lot of deaths, a fact which is indisputable. It's about how you are able to interpret Christ's message of peace and love as support for k ...[text shortened]... you to go back upstairs. Do you shoot? He raises the gun and points it at you, do you shoot?
Guns are a tool, getting one does not mean you are going to run out and start
shooting people. Drugs and other odds and ends are a means to an end and those
that use and abuse them do use guns to promote their power and keep their
interests safe. Guns are not the only weapon as we have seen south of America
where people are getting beheaded and so on. The wicked hearts of people who
would do evil no matter what cause many of the deaths you see, if you ignore
that you do so to your own peril. Taking guns out of the law bidding only makes
these others stronger.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJaywhat kinda bizarro, spaghetti, noodle logic is this?!? you are teetering on the edge of dasa and rj territory here. can you explain the connection between historical european wars, gun laws and the relevance of britains 21 mile watery gap to main land europe??? i dont have a clue what you are on about?
Just goggle european wars, you guys have something going on all the time.
I was thinking of stuff in the mid 19th Century, but man what list.
It doesn't really matter...as I pointed out to you earlier, you have your issues
we have ours.
Kelly
"It doesn't really matter...as I pointed out to you earlier, you have your issues
we have ours."
so you think their is nothing to learn from other countries?
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Originally posted by KellyJaydo you think that there is more rape and drug abuse in countries that dont have guns?
You seem to want to ignore my point if that is how you view it.
Guns are a tool, getting one does not mean you are going to run out and start
shooting people. Drugs and other odds and ends are a means to an end and those
that use and abuse them do use guns to promote their power and keep their
interests safe. Guns are not the only weapon as we have seen ...[text shortened]... to your own peril. Taking guns out of the law bidding only makes
these others stronger.
Kelly
Use of Weapons
What, though, about packing a gun or a knife? Doing so may indeed make you feel confident. But that confidence could prove fatal if you started taking unnecessary risks or courting trouble. Warns the Bible: “As for the one searching for bad, it will come upon him.” (Proverbs 11:27) And if uninvited trouble comes your way, pulling out a weapon is sure to escalate the conflict. You could get killed—or end up killing someone else. How would God, the Source of life, view your actions if you could have avoided using violence?—Psalm 11:5; 36:9.
True, some do not really intend to use lethal force. They may say they carry a weapon just to scare off harassers. But says Health magazine: “Firearms instructors agree: Don’t get a gun if you aren’t prepared to use it. Waving a firearm around as a bluff can scare off some assailants, but will only enrage others.”
What about “safer” weapons, such as chemical sprays? Besides the fact that they are illegal in some places, these weapons have serious drawbacks. Instead of immobilizing a drug-crazed attacker, they may only succeed in infuriating him. It is even possible that the wind might blow the chemical into your face rather than the attacker’s—assuming you get the spray out in the first place. Seeing you rummaging through your pockets or purse, the assailant may assume you are reaching for a gun and decide to take some aggressive action of his own. One police detective thus comments: “There is no guarantee that mace [a chemical spray], or any other weapon, will work. Or that you will have it out in time. Weapons never help a situation. People put too much faith in them.”
Weapons—The Godly View
The threat of violence was real back in Jesus’ day. One of his most famous parables, commonly called the parable of the Good Samaritan, related an incident involving violent robbery. (Luke 10:30-35) When Jesus asked his disciples to equip themselves with swords, it was not for protection. In fact, it led to his stating the principle: “All those who take the sword will perish by the sword.”—Matthew 26:51, 52; Luke 22:36-38.
True Christians, therefore, do not arm themselves so as to harm their fellowman. (Compare Isaiah 2:4.) They follow the Bible’s advice at Romans 12:18: “If possible, as far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men.” Does this mean being defenseless? Not at all!
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Originally posted by KellyJayis it really about defending ones self? again, how do you think we manage in europe?
Don't know, and frankly it doesn't matter, the point was and is about being
able to defend one's self.
Kelly
if you came on vacation to europe would you be frightened because you didnt have a gun?
Originally posted by stellspalfieI may have a fat American arse, but I don't need an oxygen tank, yet. 😏
i could tell you, but since your geographical knowledge ends at the furthest point you can drag your oxygen tank and fat american arse. it would be pointless.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
Originally posted by KellyJayLet me just draw your attention back to the fact that the death-rate due to gunshot in the US is nearly 50 times higher than in the UK. So you're voting for a status quo which saw something along the lines of 8000 more people killed last year than it would've been if you didn't have all the guns.
You seem to want to ignore my point if that is how you view it.
Guns are a tool, getting one does not mean you are going to run out and start
shooting people. Drugs and other odds and ends are a means to an end and those
that use and abuse them do use guns to promote their power and keep their
interests safe. Guns are not the only weapon as we have seen ...[text shortened]... to your own peril. Taking guns out of the law bidding only makes
these others stronger.
Kelly
I am astonished that any christian could take the pro-gun position. And then some of you are pro-life too! It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatamericans could bring the liberals and the conservatives together by combining the gun laws with abortion laws. women could scream 'my body is being burgled' then shoot themselves in the stomach. the cons get guns and liberals get abortion.
Let me just draw your attention back to the fact that the death-rate due to gunshot in the US is nearly 50 times higher than in the UK. So you're voting for a status quo which saw something along the lines of 8000 more people killed last year than it would've been if you didn't have all the guns.
I am astonished that any christian could take the p ...[text shortened]... -gun position. And then some of you are pro-life too! It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
its win, win for everybody.
Originally posted by stellspalfieI think you will manage like that girl did if that was what the attacker wanted
is it really about defending ones self? again, how do you think we manage in europe?
if you came on vacation to europe would you be frightened because you didnt have a gun?
unless you have some training. If you cannot defend yourself, you are at the
mercy of those that would do you harm.
Kelly
Originally posted by avalanchethecatAs I pointed out, much of the murders with guns have to do with drugs and
Let me just draw your attention back to the fact that the death-rate due to gunshot in the US is nearly 50 times higher than in the UK. So you're voting for a status quo which saw something along the lines of 8000 more people killed last year than it would've been if you didn't have all the guns.
I am astonished that any christian could take the p ...[text shortened]... -gun position. And then some of you are pro-life too! It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
things of that nature. It isn't the guns it is the people who would do harm for
cause, I'm more interested in the root cause than the tools applied.
Kelly