Honour your father and mother

‘Honour your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ Matthew 15:4

[1] This surely doesn't apply in all cases, right? What about dysfunctional parents and families?

[2] When [what year or decade, approximately] did it become evil to execute people for contravening this commandment?

[3] What about this? "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26

@FMF

I use to think this was a command to love your parents. "But what if the parents are unlovely?" I thought. Then I realized if the parents are unloving or have done unloving things, you can still honor them as your source.

The teaching of Christ is a teaching of comparison.
Your love for Christ is first, has first place. In comparison you would despise anything that becomes an idol replacing the Lord.

Paul also said that if you neglect your family as a Christian you are worse than an unbeliever and have denied the faith. (1 Timothy 5:8)

The harshness of some of the commands immediately following the Mt. Sinai experience, such as commanding stonings, imo, go to indicate that the people should have known better. They had extraordinary evidence of God's reality.
These ones receiving these terribly strict words saw the evidence of God in the Exodus deliverance and had no excuse for unbelief.

My feeling is that this "You know better because you witnessed the Exodus" is the reason for the severity of some of the commandments.

There were also the propitiatory sacrifices to atone for sins.
So death penalty may not have been totally final if expiatory offerings for sins
were made by the offending parties.

@sonship said
Then I realized if the parents are unloving or have done unloving things, you can still honor them as your source.

@sonship said
So death penalty may not have been totally final if expiatory offerings for sins were made by the offending parties.

@sonship said
Paul also said that if you neglect your family as a Christian you are worse than an unbeliever and have denied the faith. (1 Timothy 5:8)

@sonship said
The teaching of Christ is a teaching of comparison. Your love for Christ is first, has first place. In comparison you would despise anything that becomes an idol replacing the Lord.

@FMF


Concerning any of the commandments given at Mt. Sinai it is realistic to be aware you will not be able to fulfill what was commanded completely.

That is why we look to the new covenant of a Savior from our failure to keep the law.

" I just cannot make it God " is not an unhealthy reaction to the law of Moses. If you're saying "This circumstance just makes it impossible for me to follow through God, for this or that obstacle" - that is a legitimate reaction to the realization that you can't make it.

@FMF

The exhortation is to me like "You should be ashamed of yourself for behaving that way."

Reading more into it for argumentation's sake is not a concern to me.

Berean Study Bible
"If anyone does not provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. " (1 Tim. 5:8)

If you're interested in see how you can milk the sentence into a handy additional justification for your atheism, go ahead.

I just take it as Paul saying to his learner junior apostle "Don't be so super spiritual that you neglect your family responsibility."

@sonship said
@FMF

The exhortation is to me like "You should be ashamed of yourself for behaving that way."

Reading more into it for argumentation's sake is not a concern to me.

Berean Study Bible
"If anyone does not provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. " (1 Tim. 5:8)

If you're inter ...[text shortened]... s learner junior apostle "Don't be so super spiritual that you neglect your family responsibility."

@sonship said
If you're interested in see how you can milk the sentence into a handy additional justification for your atheism, go ahead.

@fmf said
I am not talking about "an idol" or about anything "replacing the Lord". I am asking you why you must "hate [your] own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even [your]own life" if you want to follow Jesus.

@fmf said
When in history did it become evil to execute people for speaking disrespectfully of their parents?

@fmf said
When in history did it become evil to execute people for speaking disrespectfully of their parents?

@fmf said
‘Honour your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ Matthew 15:4

[1] This surely doesn't apply in all cases, right? What about dysfunctional parents and families?

[2] When [what year or decade, approximately] did it become evil to execute people for contravening this commandment?

[3] What about this? "If anyo ...[text shortened]... children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26