@fmf saidThat was contrary to the Law of Moses and the children can and should report it to the authorities. The penalty for that at that time was death. That does not constitute a disrespect for parents. #3 means to put the work of following Christ first.
What if they have sexual intercourse with their children? Their children must not speak disrespectfully of them?
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Because he knows that there is a God.
He holds down the truth in unrighteousness according to Romans 1.
Before men he displays feats of argumentative cleverness.
But Bible says he holds down the truth within himself.
I suspect it is a conscience matter.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven upon all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold down the truth in unrighteouness.
Because that which is known of God is manifest within them, for God had manifested it to them.
For the invisible things of Him, both His eternal power and divine characteristics, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world beibng perceived by the things made, so that they would be without excuse." (Rom. 1:18-20)
That may not be a rejection of the Christian Gospel per se.
But to claim not to perceive God's eternal power and divine characteristics
upon viewing the things made in any epoch of time, Paul says without excuse.
I expect most atheists to strenuosly deny this as you are about to.
"The things made" could change as science and its intruments reveal more and more of the natural world. Regardless the evidence of God's eternal power and divine characteristics remain the same for ANY human age.
@sonship saidI'd be more interested in point blank answers to the straightforward questions.
@FMF
Because he knows that there is a God.
He holds down the truth in unrighteousness according to Romans 1.
Before men he displays feats of argumentative cleverness.
But Bible says he holds down the truth within himself.
I suspect it is a conscience matter.
[b]"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven upon all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men ...[text shortened]... ss the evidence of God's eternal power and divine characteristics remain the same for ANY human age.
@fmf saidNot too many straightforward crystal-clear term questions are ever asked. Depending on the asker's context, the same question can be asked, and it can be different. Someone was asking why did God allow a child to die; being asked by someone who wants to know because they are grappling with the question is going to be quite different than someone who is asking because they just lost a child, or someone who wants to give a good reason, or someone who wants to destroy any reason given.
They are fine. If you don't want to take on the OP on its own crystal-clear terms, then don't feel compelled to discuss the topic.
@kellyjay saidUse your own context. Grapple with the questions as you see fit.
Depending on the asker's context, the same question can be asked, and it can be different. Someone was asking why did God allow a child to die; being asked by someone who wants to know because they are grappling with the question is going to be quite different than someone who is asking because they just lost a child, or someone who wants to give a good reason, or someone who wants to destroy any reason given.
@fmf said[Matthew 15:4 NKJV] 4 "For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.'
‘Honour your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ Matthew 15:4
[1] This surely doesn't apply in all cases, right? What about dysfunctional parents and families?
[2] When [what year or decade, approximately] did it become evil to execute people for contravening this commandment?
[3] What about this? "If anyo ...[text shortened]... children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26
[1] This surely doesn't apply in all cases, right? What about dysfunctional parents and families?
curses
1. a solemn utterance intended to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something.
"she'd put a curse on him"
[2] When [what year or decade, approximately] did it become evil to execute people for contravening this commandment?
Around 2022 years ago.
[3] What about this? "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26
[Luke 14:26 NKJV] 26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple."
In the Greek Language, many words have several different meanings. One meaning for the word "hate" in the Greek language is: "to love less than." This is nothing but a translation problem from Greek to English. The New Testament was first written in Greek; they are the oldest Manuscripts of the New Testament.
@fmf said[2] When [what year or decade, approximately] did it become evil to execute people for contravening this commandment?
‘Honour your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ Matthew 15:4
[1] This surely doesn't apply in all cases, right? What about dysfunctional parents and families?
[2] When [what year or decade, approximately] did it become evil to execute people for contravening this commandment?
[3] What about this? "If anyo ...[text shortened]... children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26
Evil is opposed to what is good; what are you suggesting good and evil changed over time for time's sake.
@fmf said[3] What about this? "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26
Use your own context. Grapple with the questions as you see fit.
This keeps our relationships healthy when our love for each other is behind our love for God.