If it gives you purpose and structure and if your belief results in you treating people in a morally sound way, then it's a good thing, I'm sure.
Is this a suggestion that you do not have such purpose and structure?
So your happy for me that I have some?
There is no enforcement to your noble ideas of moral compass.
At the bottom, most violaters will jump into their graves laughing and what they
got away with. (Or so they think).
If there is no other Watcher and Rememberer but YOU . . . you're going to get clean away with an awful lot. Aren't you?
@sonship saidNo. Not at all. Quite the opposite. It was more a To Each Their Own comment.
@FMFIf it gives you purpose and structure and if your belief results in you treating people in a morally sound way, then it's a good thing, I'm sure.
Is this a suggestion that you do not have such purpose and structure?
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@FMF
ONLY YOU KNOW.
You and God.
Get away with what, indeed.
Mr. Innocent with a huge moral compass.
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I realize that the notion that there is divine enforcement appeals to your imagination and to your sense of justice and therefore forms part of your religious belief.
You can sling around the phrase "religious belief system" as much as you like.
It doesn't prove that the "religious belief system" is not about what is actually true.
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Now, taking your moral compass analogy to task -
What is the force causing your moral compass to point in the direction in
which it points?
If you were in outer space floating around with no North what would cause your compass to point in a certain direction ?
What is the attraction causing your moral compass to point as it does if you're floating around in moral relativism?
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I realize that the notion that there is divine enforcement appeals to your imagination and to your sense of justice and therefore forms part of your religious belief.
It also appeals to my imagination that the sun will come up over the horizon in the east tomorrow.
Does imagination automatically mean what is imagined has not correspondence to reality?
Your doint a lot of reasoning to appeal to your imagination that you are under no authority as well as in need of a Savior. That's YOUR imagination that you're beholden to no one but your noble self.
If you haven't noticed, you're governed by a vested interest to be left ALONE.
@sonship said"Glory of God"?
"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23)
And you, FMF, are an exception because ___________?
You are basically asking me if I have "fallen short" of something in your imagination.
So it's for you to say what it is YOU think I will "get away with" without your so called "final enforcer".
Otherwise, your question is just a clumsy variant of the Have You Stopped Beating Your Wife gimmick.
@sonship saidSo. Hang on. Wait a minute. Are you saying... Have you been contending, all along, that your "religious belief system" is "true"? And do you now contend that me calling it your "religious belief system" is me attempting to "prove" something to you? Be clear.
You can sling around the phrase "religious belief system" as much as you like.
It doesn't prove that the "religious belief system" is not about what is actually true.
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@sonship saidA synthesis of nature and nurture.
What is the force causing your moral compass to point in the direction in which it points?
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They are just the last couple of months alone.
You spend too much time making monologues and not enough time joining in discussions, sonship.
@sonship saidI see the fact that the sun will be coming up over the horizon in the east tomorrow as an objective reality that does not rely upon my imagination or upon a dogma comprising a complex amalgam of subjective opinions, speculations and aspirations.
It also appeals to my imagination that the sun will come up over the horizon in the east tomorrow.
@sonship said[1]Your doing a lot of reasoning to appeal to your imagination that you are under no authority as well as in need of a Savior. [2] That's YOUR imagination that you're beholden to no one but your noble self.
Your doint a lot of reasoning to appeal to your imagination that you are under no authority as well as in need of a Savior. That's YOUR imagination that you're beholden to no one but your noble self.
If you haven't noticed, you're governed by a vested interest to be left ALONE.
[1] I hear what you are saying.
[2] I get what you mean.
@sonship saidBut I am not left "alone", sonship. The fact that I don't believe in a particular God figure ~ the one you just so happen to believe in ~ does not mean I am "alone" in moral terms, in terms of my interaction with others, in terms of my impact on others and how I process their impacts on me, in terms of accountability and responsibility, in terms of the nitty-gritty of how my conscience operates alongside the consciences of other moral agents and how it interlocks with them and ties me to them in common humanity. I am not "alone".
If you haven't noticed, you're governed by a vested interest to be left ALONE.