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Honour your father and mother

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@FMF

Here is your reply to my question about when the first non-human mother gave birth to the first human baby.

I don't know. I have no reason to believe there was anything remotely like that which happened in the space of one instance of giving birth. My best guess is that human consciousness evolved gradually. What's your best guess?


So evolution was SO gradual that it is impossible to draw a line between the non-human and the human?

If that is the case than how do you know non-humans are alive today who might be mistaken for humans?

Wouldn't that attitude of not being able to quantify gradualism tend to feed racist philsophies such as fueled the African Slave Trade?

Ie. They only looked human but were not evolved enough.
Other than for having sex with sometimes, the blacks were only beasts of
burden.

Wouldn't your view of undetectable gradualism furnish the racist, eugenicist, or Nazi with a rationale to treat other humans as not fully human? I mean while you're on the moral compass concept.

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@FMF


About your moral compass, since your's you think is so keen -

Is executing to death an unborn child as evil to you as executing a born child ?
Or do you sooth your moral compass by reasoning that the unborn child is not
a human being?

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@sonship said
Is executing to death an unborn child as evil to you as executing a born child ?
If by "executing to death" you mean terminating a pregnancy before it would be able to survive outside the womb and you are comparing it to murdering an infant, then my answer is no. But my moral compass would prevent me from doing either.

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@sonship said
Or do you sooth your moral compass by reasoning that the unborn child is not a human being?
Personally, no, I do not see the unborn child as "not a human being".

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So, then, sonship. Would it be evil to put a child to death for disrespecting his or her parents now in the C21st? My answer is yes.

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@sonship said
Wouldn't your view of undetectable gradualism furnish the racist, eugenicist, or Nazi with a rationale to treat other humans as not fully human? I mean while you're on the moral compass concept.
Do you mean if there had been Nazis or eugenicists 100,000+ years ago?

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@sonship said
So evolution was SO gradual that it is impossible to draw a line between the non-human and the human? If that is the case than how do you know non-humans are alive today who might be mistaken for humans?
[1]So evolution was SO gradual that it is impossible to draw a line between the non-human and the human? [2] If that is the case than how do you know non-humans are alive today who might be mistaken for humans?

[1] Presumably you are talking about 100s of thousands of years ago. I don't know.

[2] I am not aware of any.

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@sonship said
Wouldn't that attitude of not being able to quantify gradualism tend to feed racist philsophies such as fueled the African Slave Trade?
You'd need to look at some ethnographic studies on racists to answer this.

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@sonship said
So evolution was SO gradual that it is impossible to draw a line between the non-human and the human?
I know that, anatomically, we are something in the region of 300,000 years old as a species. I do not know how ~ or how fast ~ our consciousness evolved. That's a question you might want to post on the Science Forum.


@FMF

Naturalism and Evolution are your religion so it can be here in this Forum.
Isn't that why you frequent Spirituality, to tout that instead of theism you have
naturalism as your spirituality?

How do you know if there are not some only incompletely evolved human animals around now?

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@FMF

You'd need to look at some ethnographic studies on racists to answer this.


Why pass the buck to someone else?

Your philosophy furnishes ground for human looking, not quite sufficiently evolved from animals, to be treated as such.

Mr. Big Fat Better Moral Compass.


@FMF

[1] Presumably you are talking about 100s of thousands of years ago. I don't know.

[2] I am not aware of any.


You mean you didn't observe it?
I thought science is about observation.

Maybe your theory, since unobserved, isn't true.
I mean, you're welcomed to a religious belief about it.

When did preserving life become a good thing ?

When did survival of life to reproduce become a good thing ?

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@FMF

So, then, sonship. Would it be evil to put a child to death for disrespecting his or her parents now in the C21st? My answer is yes.


How do you judge the putting to death a child in the womb of a woman who has not spoken ANYTHING disrespectful to its parents, but to live?

How do you tell your moral compass that that is a good thing, to abort at will a child?

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@FMF

Personally, no, I do not see the unborn child as "not a human being".


Are you simiarly bothered about sixty some million unborn children executed as you are about a law (with no instance I can think of being carried out in the Bible) about riding the thoecratic nation of a disrespecrtful child?

In the 21st CE we know of millions of executions of unborn children.
Without some real research I can think of NO execution of a disrespectfully speaking child in the Old Testament.

No example compared to milliions of examples of child killings.
Are you similarly bothered in your moral compass about the millions of
documented killings of unborn children?

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@sonship said
Naturalism and Evolution are your religion so it can be here in this Forum.
Religions address supernatural causality, phenomena and beings.