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Honour your father and mother

Honour your father and mother

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FMF,

In the New Testament I am told -

"Children, obey your parents in the Lord for this is right. Honor your father and mother, Which is thre fgitrst commandment with a promise, that it may go well with you and that you may live longh on the earth." (Ephesians 6:1)

Did you notice Paul added nothing about stonings?
Why would you assume today Christian parents should be concerned about obeying laws of stoning ?

Notice also that immediately following this is the advice to fathers NOT to provoke their children to anger.

Might that not address your concern for the bad behavior of a parent interfering with the child's sense if respect for ther parent?

"And fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but nurture them in the disciple and administion of the Lord." (v. 4)

I would say the teaching to Christian children and Christian parents is quite healthy. Why do you have need to portray the Bible as evil ?

That does what for you ?

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@sonship said
Isn't that why you frequent Spirituality, to tout that instead of theism you have naturalism as your spirituality?
No, I frequent this forum because of my interest in the source and nature of morality, the nature of faith, and the way religious beliefs affect believers' behaviour.

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@sonship said
How do you know if there are not some only incompletely evolved human animals around now?
I am not aware of any. It would be on the news if there were.

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@sonship said
@FMF

You'd need to look at some ethnographic studies on racists to answer this.


Why pass the buck to someone else?
Because they will have research on what you were asking me about.

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@sonship said
Your philosophy furnishes ground for human looking, not quite sufficiently evolved from animals, to be treated as such.
Does it?

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@FMF

What if they have sexual intercourse with their children? Their children must not speak disrespectfully of them?


I would consider that situation in light of the New Testament to Christians about the whole family scenario.

"Honor your father and mother, which is the first commandment with a promise . . . And fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but nurture them in the discipline and administion of the Lord." (Eph. 6:2,4)

Do you think a situation of a parent sexually abusing one of his or her children would be a good example of "nurture them in the discipline and admonition of the Lord."

Do you think God might consider this PROVOKING the child to anger?

Why do you have need to portray God as incompetent, maybe not too aware of the moral condition of some parents?

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@sonship said
Mr. Big Fat Better Moral Compass.
According to your moral compass, would it be evil to put a child to death for disrespecting his or her parents now in the C21st? Mine says yes.

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@sonship said
You mean you didn't observe it?
I thought science is about observation. Maybe your theory, since unobserved, isn't true.
Maybe so. You're right.

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@sonship said
When did preserving life become a good thing ? When did survival of life to reproduce become a good thing ?
Neither of us know the answers to these questions.

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@FMF


We're beyond that. I said it could be not only in 21C but in the same YEAR that the commandment was given.

I asked you are you similarly outraged at the execution of some sixty million unborn children in the last several decades?

I have not notice a reply yet.

I would be hard pressed to locate ONE stoning of a child for disrespectful speaking in the OT. There might be one.

I do not of millions of examples of killing unborn children who said nothing.
How is your moral compass about thier deaths?

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@sonship said
How do you judge the putting to death a child in the womb of a woman who has not spoken ANYTHING disrespectful to its parents, but to live?
It's difficult to explain exactly my aversion to it. Perhaps it stems from my many years as a Catholic.

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@sonship said
How do you tell your moral compass that that is a good thing, to abort at will a child?
But my moral compass doesn't tell me that, sonship. You really can't remember this coming up before? You appear to be labouring under a misapprehension.

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@sonship said
Are you similarly bothered in your moral compass about the millions of documented killings of unborn children?
Of course.

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@sonship said
I asked you are you similarly outraged at the execution of some sixty million unborn children in the last several decades?

I have not notice a reply yet.
I am typing as fast as I can.

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@sonship said
I would be hard pressed to locate ONE stoning of a child for disrespectful speaking in the OT.
Would it have been evil if such a death sentence had been carried out?