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Originally posted by John W Boothquite simply because theism without expression is null and void, if there is a God and we believe that there is, then it opens up a whole host of possibilities. How this can be construed as 'limiting', you will now explain.
There you are, again, trying to cram theism into the confines of religion. Why?
Originally posted by John W Boothhardly, i never termed it 'playing the Nazi card', you did, and it was used, not to win an argument, but to illustrate a point, you are now adding insult to injury.
Your playing the Nazi Card against someone you disagree with about the nature of theism is what "denegrates the events", not the fact that I called you on it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo if it's not what you think and how you see it then it's "null and void"? Isn'that exactly what vishvahetu says day after day after day on this board?
quite simply because theism without expression is null and void
if there is a God and we believe that there is, then it opens up a whole host of possibilities.
I don't think it does. Not in terms of theism. In terms of religion and social order and conformity, yes maybe.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOh is the Holocaust 'yours' in some way, and not 'mine'?
hardly, i never termed it 'playing the Nazi card', you did, and it was used, not to win an argument, but to illustrate a point, you are now adding insult to injury.
You played the Nazi Card on page two of this thread to try - it seems - to prove that speculation on the afterlife is not speculation. You later seemed to withdraw this, but alas the Nazi Card had been played. And has now been played by you again. Twice. Your faith - and inignation at being disagreed with - seems to me to tend more towards impotency than potency.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf this is so, why did you immediately say this:
[the Nazi card] was used, not to win an argument, but to illustrate a point...
"you tosser, we are talking of real people, with real lives, in real situations, with real loved ones, with real mothers and fathers and children. [...] smell that Mr. Booth, smells like toast."
Is this spite and anger a function of your theism or of your theology, I wonder.
Originally posted by John W Boothno that is taking liberties with what i said, for example i myself like the Shaolin, they are non Christian being Buddhist, that does not mean that their theism, their spirituality has no expression, for clearly it has, in their life style, this is what I am saying, your perceptions, concepts, whatever you want to call it, should at least have some tangible expression, otherwise they remain purely abstract. Is this not the case even amongst our atheist friends, their ideas govern how they think and act?
So if it's not what you think and how you see it then it's "null and void"? Isn'that exactly what vishvahetu says day after day after day on this board?
[b] if there is a God and we believe that there is, then it opens up a whole host of possibilities.
I don't think it does. Not in terms of theism. In terms of religion and social order and conformity, yes maybe.[/b]
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Originally posted by John W Booththis is indignation, you may term it how you like. Is it a function of my theism, nope! we are counselled through the scriptures to remain calm when provoked. there is such a thing as righteous indignation, i could perhaps invoke it in this instance, but i seek not to justify my thoughts.
If this is so, why did you immediately say this:
[b]"you tosser, we are talking of real people, with real lives, in real situations, with real loved ones, with real mothers and fathers and children. [...] smell that Mr. Booth, smells like toast."
Is this spite and anger a function of your theism or of your theology, I wonder.[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou think God has communicated with us because ancient texts have told you so.
no that is taking liberties with what i said, for example i myself like the Shaolin, they are non Christian being Buddhist, that does not mean that their theism, their spirituality has no expression, for clearly it has, in their life style, this is what I am saying, your perceptions, concepts, whatever you want to call it, should at least have some t ...[text shortened]... s this not the case even amongst our atheist friends, their ideas govern how they think and act?
I don't.
Now tell me, before you try to distance yourself from it, what point about the alleged reality of the afterlife is it you think your playing of the Nazi Card illustrated?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieProvoked?
this is indignation, you may term it how you like. Is it a function of my theism, nope! we are counselled through the scriptures to remain calm when provoked.
It is you who tried to make me "smell the toast" by citing the Nazi Holocaust as "illustrating" your point about the afterlife.
Originally posted by John W Boothok, so you don't, what next? unless you drop the derogatory and quite frankly insulting term, 'playing the Nazi card', i have no further comment to make. The point was made that the hope of a resurrection is able to transcend death, not physical death, but fear of.
You think God has communicated with us because ancient texts have told you so.
I don't.
Now tell me, before you try to distance yourself from it, what point about the alleged reality of the afterlife is it you think your playing of the Nazi Card illustrated?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt is sheer vanity to think that speculation about things we cannot know, in any way takes us beyond "limits" in any real sense. It's just a coping mechanism. Witness the extraordinary limits that vishvahetu seems to imprison himself in, in his ceaseless exploration of a "whole host of possibilites". And you and he are basically cut from the same piece of spiritual cloth.
How this can be construed as 'limiting', you will now explain.