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Originally posted by SuzianneCall it what you will, I do not know. It is to know full well what one is doing and saying.
In other words, to sin against the Holy Spirit. Yes? No?
He implied one had to be a mature Christian, a teacher, etc.
And then for whatever reason, he/she has changed their mind and despised the Lord and wanted to serve Satan.
To me it sounds insane.
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Originally posted by RJHindsIt tells you right in the same chapter if you continue to read. It was people. Messengers from Satan to buffet him, harass him. Kind of like some on this forum, but in a more physical sense, and much more brutal.
No.
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14 Oct 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterPaul has been saying that for around 2000 years and you have read it for over 40 years. I have been reminding you, Jaywill, Sonship, and several others that Paul is saying that you can lose your eternal life ... and NOW you recently heard a wonderful preacher ... etc etc ?
I recently heard a wonderful preacher talking on this topic, which caught my attention since we are discussing this.
He was commenting on the only way a Christian can lose his/her salvation.
1. A mature Christian operating the gifts of the spirit and has tasted the goodness of God.
2.He/she knowingly and willingly rebels in such a way that they curs ...[text shortened]... in Hebrews in context as a whole.
They willingly trod the son of God underfoot and despise him.
I have to laugh ..
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Originally posted by Rajk999Not at all, you were sounding like just any slip up, any sin and you lose your salvation.
Paul has been saying that for around 2000 years and you have read it for over 40 years. I have been reminding you, Jaywill, Sonship, and several others that Paul is saying that you can lose your eternal life ... and NOW you recently heard a wonderful preacher ... etc etc ?
I have to laugh ..
It is not about the sin in this case, it is about the will of the person.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterFortunately the posts are there to prove that I said no such thing, But you and Sonshp kept on and on about the impossibility of losing ones eternal life.
Not at all, you were sounding like just any slip up, any sin and you lose your salvation.
It is not about the sin in this case, it is about the will of the person.
Clearly now you are accepting what Paul said.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Ok, we are in agreement then...Peace..🙂
Fortunately the posts are there to prove that I said no such thing, But you and Sonshp kept on and on about the impossibility of losing ones eternal life.
Clearly now you are accepting what Paul said.
14 Oct 13
Originally posted by KellyJayIt is only natural for humans to bicker.
Shame we cannot show grace to each other here, instead we get this
constant bickering. Even when it seems like we are agreeing with each
other we are looking for ways to throw salt into wounds.
Kelly
It takes something above that to show
grace and humility.
It would be wonderful if we could all come together
and join in harmony instead of strife.
I think the main reason for division is the lack of trust
and the difference of opinion over what religion is correct.
I have often asked myself about that and came to the
conclusion that maybe no religion is correct.
If you have faith in your religion Kelly then I respect you
and I shall not take it away or try to disillusion you.
We are all fragile flawed human beings and all we can hope
for is that the best of us will eventually find the right answer.
May your God go with you. 🙂
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I don't see this as bickering at all.
It is rather a way to expound on scripture and listen to others concerning what the bible says.
I love Sonship, Rajk999, Robbie,RJHinds,Kelly, and all believers on this forum, heck, I love the Atheist too!
I was once an Atheist!
At least they are actively seeking God and truth.
Yes, some hold rather sternly to what they believe, but in the end, hopefully, they can think about what the other person is saying, and perhaps adjust their understanding.
One big problem here is that it is frequently difficult to converse in type. We forget tone, facial expression, etc.
14 Oct 13
Originally posted by KellyJayThere is no bickering. It see it as an important conclusion to a long-standing difference of opinion.
Shame we cannot show grace to each other here, instead we get this
constant bickering. Even when it seems like we are agreeing with each
other we are looking for ways to throw salt into wounds.
Kelly
14 Oct 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterThanks and same to you.
I don't see this as bickering at all.
It is rather a way to expound on scripture and listen to others concerning what the bible says.
I love Sonship, Rajk999, Robbie,RJHinds,Kelly, and all believers on this forum, heck, I love the Atheist too!
I was once an Atheist!
At least they are actively seeking God and truth.
Yes, some hold rather sternly t ...[text shortened]... is that it is frequently difficult to converse in type. We forget tone, facial expression, etc.
15 Oct 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterIt does seem that Paul attributes "the thorn in the flesh" to have been given to him by a messenger of Satan or demon. However, I am not convinced that "it" is people.
It tells you right in the same chapter if you continue to read. It was people. Messengers from Satan to buffet him, harass him. Kind of like some on this forum, but in a more physical sense, and much more brutal.
In verse 8, Paul states the Following:
Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
(2 Corinthians 12:8 NKJV)
A person is not referred to as a "thing" or an "it" to my understanding.
Paul seems to be using a figure of speech or a metaphor representing a thorny or sharp painful condition in his flesh, since he also seems to refer to it as a weakness or infirmity in verse 9.
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15 Oct 13
Originally posted by RJHindsYahshua is not enough for anyone. Ha-Shem scolds you. 😀
It does seem that Paul attributes "the thorn in the flesh" to have been given to him by a messenger of Satan or demon. However, I am not convinced that [b]"it" is people.
In verse 8, Paul states the Following:
Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
(2 Corinthians 12:8 NKJV)
A person is ...[text shortened]... esh, since he also seems to refer to it as a weakness or infirmity in verse 9.
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15 Oct 13
Originally posted by KellyJayExcellent
I believe there is a fine line here, no one can pull us out of God's hand.
The attack of the devil isn't that he can take away from God, He wants to
keep us from God any way he can, or turn us from Him. He can offer the
world, or some very little tiny piece of it if he can get us to want it more
than God.
The sad part is that some actually murder, st ...[text shortened]... life. We sell ourselves short by settling for anything short of a relationship
with him.
Kelly