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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wow you cite a panel of like minded people coming together to deliver a decree that we profess that Witness Lee is a true Christian and his teaching as essentially that of the Gospel. I wonder what an independent panel would make of it that is one not indoctrinated with the same tenets.
It was an independent group of experts hired to study the books and messages of Witness Lee and the practices of the local churches.
It was not the result of collusion. It was the result of having outsiders objectively and honestly ascertain the accuracy of certain libelous charges.
This is something that apparently, we can expect you not to do.
As for you diatribes about Lee not being fit to be an Elder. His traveling amongst the churches and speaking the ministry for the churches was his function in the latter years. I don't know if he ever had the function of a local "elder" in the US after he left Taiwan in the 60s.
And the fruit of the brother's labors speak for themselves.
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Originally posted by sonshipyah sure it was! The sheep will listen to the voice of the shepherd not someone like witness Lee. Yes a history peppered with litigation, it certainly does speak for itself. What does he do for a living by the way?wow you cite a panel of like minded people coming together to deliver a decree that we profess that Witness Lee is a true Christian and his teaching as essentially that of the Gospel. I wonder what an independent panel would make of it that is one not indoctrinated with the same tenets.
It was an independent group of experts hired to ...[text shortened]... after he left Taiwan in the 60s.
And the fruit of the brother's labors speak for themselves.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieBrother Witness Lee went to be with the Lord in 1997.
yah sure it was! The sheep will listen to the voice of the shepherd not someone like witness Lee. Yes a history peppered with litigation, it certainly does speak for itself. What does he do for a living by the way?
Go read about his life.
He gave up his job to live by faith in his twenties and serve the Lord just like his senior co-worker Watchman Nee.
Go read yourself if you wish to learn more.
http://www.witnesslee.org/
The ministry of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee has produced well over three thousand churches on all six inhabited continents and has opened up the truths of the Bible concerning the subjective experience of Christ for the building up of the church as the Body of Christ. Nevertheless, as with every move of the Lord, there have been critics. While the primary purpose of this Web site is to address controversies that have arisen, it is important to first see the big picture, the greater context, surrounding the ministry of these two servants of the Lord.
http://www.contendingforthefaith.org/
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Originally posted by sonshipyou know what, you come across real slippery, you seem unable to simply answer a question with honesty and simplicity. You were asked what he did for a living. Why couldn't you just say he was a taxi driver, or he had a shop that sold books. I take it from your text he fleeced his flock. Thank you that's all I wanted to know. Once again the apostle Pauls example is wasted on him. Paul himself an educated man made tents to support himself and those in need so that he would not be a burden to anyone doing hard work with his hands, as the scriptures say.
Brother Witness Lee went to be with the Lord in 1997.
Go read about his life.
He gave up his job to live by faith in his twenties and serve the Lord just like his senior co-worker Watchman Nee.
Go read yourself if you wish to learn more.
http://www.witnesslee.org/
The ministry of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee has produced well over ...[text shortened]... he ministry of these two servants of the Lord.
http://www.contendingforthefaith.org/
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieExplain why you will never speak of your personal experience with God. You're suppose to be a witness for Jehovah God. Why then is it so hard to get you to witness or tell why you won't.
you know what, you come across real slippery, you seem unable to simply answer a question with honesty and simplicity. You were asked what he did for a living. Why couldn't you just say he was a taxi driver, or he had a shop that sold books. I take it from your text he fleeced his flock. Thank you that's all I wanted to know. Once again the apostl ...[text shortened]... o that he would not be a burden to anyone doing hard work with his hands, as the scriptures say.
For sure Witness Lee left us way way more helpful personal testimony of his experience with the Triune God.
With all your supposed "better" adherence to 1 Cor. 6:6 you're value as a real personal witness to Jehovah God so far, is non-existent.
So come on Jehovah's "Witness" - witness what it has been like knowing God personally.
Originally posted by sonshipWhy didn't he do hard work with his hands like the apostle Paul so as not to be a burden on anyone? There are also some rather unsavoury details concerning the conduct of his son which would further disqualify him from serving as a teacher of Gods word.
Explain why you will never speak of your personal experience with God. You're suppose to be a witness for Jehovah God. Why then is it so hard to get you to witness or tell why you won't.
For sure Witness Lee left us way way more helpful personal testimony of his experience with the Triune God.
With all your supposed "better" adherence to 1 Cor. 6:6 ...[text shortened]...
So come on Jehovah's "Witness" - [b]witness what it has been like knowing God personally.[/b]
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSamuel was a godly man. Samuel had sons which brought disrepute to the priesthood.
Why didn't he do hard work with his hands like the apostle Paul so as not to be a burden on anyone? There are also some rather unsavoury details concerning the conduct of his son which would further disqualify him from serving as a teacher of Gods word.
"Now when Samuel was old, he made his sons judges over Israel. ... But his sons did not follow in his ways, but turned aside after unjust gain and took bribes and perverted justice." ( 1 Samuel 8:1-3)
The Bible does not blame the perverted backslidding of Samuel's sons on Samuel.
Tend to this matter why don't you, or explain why you will not give testimony of your experience of God.
So come on Jehovah's "Witness" - witness what it has been like knowing God personally.
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Samuel was a godly man. Samuel had sons which brought disrepute to the priesthood.
[b] "Now when Samuel was old, he made his sons judges over Israel. ... But his sons did not follow in his ways, but turned aside after unjust gain and took bribes and perverted justice." ( 1 Samuel 8:1-3)
The Bible does not blame the perverted ba ...[text shortened]... So come on Jehovah's "Witness" - witness what it has been like knowing God personally. [/quote][/b]No but i does chastise Eli and his sons does it not?
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Okay Robbie, you are upset with Witness Lee because he did not keep the letter of the New Testament about taking a Christian to court. (1 Cor. 6:1-7).
Tell us, do you also fault Jesus for not keeping the letter of the law and healing on the Sabbath day ?
Jesus Heals on the Sabbath (Mark 3:1-6)
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”
4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.
5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou're assumming that Phillip Lee was not chastized by his dad.
No but i does chastise Eli and his sons does it not?
He was disciplined by the local church in which he served too.
Even the opposers realized that it was ridiculous to hold an 80 year old man responsible for the behavior of a 50 year old son.
You're reading on the Internet only the attacking websites aren't you ? Digging for dirt, are you ?
How would you witness to your personal enjoyment of Jehovah in your subjective experience? Tell us something of that. I have asked repeatedly.
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Originally posted by sonshipOf course he does, because robbie does not believe a blood transfusion should be used to save someone's life, because he believes it is a commandment to abstain from blood at all costs.
Okay Robbie, you are upset with Witness Lee because he did not keep the letter of the New Testament about taking a Christian to court. [b](1 Cor. 6:1-7).
Tell us, do you also fault Jesus for not keeping the letter of the law and healing on the Sabbath day ?
Jesus Heals on the Sabbath (Mark 3:1-6)[/b]
3 Another time Jesus went into th ...[text shortened]... harisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Why didn't he do hard work with his hands like the apostle Paul so as not to be a burden on anyone? There are also some rather unsavoury details concerning the conduct of his son which would further disqualify him from serving as a teacher of Gods word.
There are about 3 thousand local churches on the earth that have been helped and established by the ministry of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee.
Below is a list of just a small portion of the rich spiritual books by brother Witness Lee. This is just some of the fruit of a man who gave his full time to minister the truth that he lived.
I'll just include some which begin with the word "Christ".
That is the name of the Son of God you JWs labor to undercut and demote to Michael the angel. These will be followed by a few titles which begin with the word "God".
Christ and the Church Revealed and Typified in the Psalms
Christ and the Cross
Christ as the Content of the Church and the Church as the Expression of Christ
Christ as the Reality
Christ as the Spirit in the Epistles
Christ Being the Burden of the Gospel
Christ in His Excellency
Christ is God
Christ Making His Home in Our Heart and the Building Up of the Church
Christ our Portion
Christ Revealed in the New Testament
Christ versus Religion
God of Resurrection, The
God Who Hides Himself, A
God's Eternal Intention and Satan's Counterplot
God's Intention Concerning Christ and the Church
God's Need and God's Goal
God's New Testament Economy
God's Purpose for the Church
God's Salvation in Life
God's Way in Life
God, Education and Character
God-man Living, The
God-Men, The
God-Ordained Way and the Eldership, The
God-ordained Way to Practice the New Testament Economy, The
That is only a small few of the about 400 titles you can explore of books by Brother Lee.
http://www.ministrybooks.org/witness-lee-books.cfm?s=C
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Originally posted by sonshipThanks but 'Brother Lee' stands condemned as being unfit for the office of a teacher of Gods word by his conduct and I wont be reading any of his books on that basis. He appears to me to be a blind man leading the blind. I also refuse to read any of Calvins books on that basis too, After all if he cannot conduct himself in harmony with the revealed word of God he has no freedom of speech and is not in a position to instruct anyone.Why didn't he do hard work with his hands like the apostle Paul so as not to be a burden on anyone? There are also some rather unsavoury details concerning the conduct of his son which would further disqualify him from serving as a teacher of Gods word.
There are about 3 thousand local churches on the earth that have been helped and estab ...[text shortened]... can explore of books by Brother Lee.
http://www.ministrybooks.org/witness-lee-books.cfm?s=C
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat is your choice and frankly your loss.
Thanks but 'Brother Lee' stands condemned as being unfit for the office of a teacher of Gods word by his conduct and I wont be reading any of his books on that basis. He appears to me to be a blind man leading the blind. I also refuse to read any of Calvins books on that basis too, After all if he cannot conduct himself in harmony with the revealed word of God he has no freedom of speech and is not in a position to instruct anyone.
One thing is clear to me, Witness Lee left us a vast amount of riches from his experience with God. You seem to be a coward to share any of yours, if you have any.
So his witness of Christ is worth more to the world than your non-witness. The unfit servant of God appears to be you.
Originally posted by sonshipunworthy of serious comment.
That is your choice and frankly your loss.
One thing is clear to me, Witness Lee left us a vast amount of riches from his experience with God. You seem to be a coward to share any of yours, if you have any.
So his witness of Christ is worth more to the world than your non-witness. The unfit servant of God appears to be you.